a quick poll about Russia and Donald Trump

Apparently questions re: Trump Tower Russia being referred to Cohen's lawyer.

Per your friend's comment:

So short of a dramatic smoking gun, he thinks Trump himself is very unlikely to be charged with anything.

Not saying this was a smoking gun, but perhaps a whiff of grapeshot?

It all sounds bad and messy, but I think my friend's point is it is not necessarily criminal to be friends and associate with criminals. It's a pretty high bar to prove Trump himself knowingly did anything illegal here short a paper trail of explicit contractions and cover-ups. For example, he told me about this one real estate mogul he prosecuted who was giving different PowerPoint presentations with different numbers to different audiences. That's bad. But just getting in bed with sketchy partners is not itself illegal. However, it could lead to the discovery of a legality, and obviously the more people swept into the net increases those odds, assuming there is anything there.

Illegality, not a legality, whoops.

The proposed Moscow project was a licensing deal -- basically independent developers pay Trump to put his name on a building for marketing purposes. I don't think it means much to any of this.

Trump is corrupt, and it's in plain sight. I still fail to understand what the overarching Russia theory amounts to, what the picture is supposed to look like when we finally "connect all the dots."

Yeah, I've kind of lost the thread to this whole Russia thing, too. Who's leading this, anyway? Democrats? I see the investigation happening, but I don't really hear any cases against Trum, for Russia, corruption, or anything, from anyone, really.

Trumpppppp

I think it ultimately still boils down to 'here's damaging info on Hillary in exchange for easing of sanctions' right?

+ evidence of massive amounts of white collar crimes that otherwise would've flown under the radar, which probably won't have any real-world consequences?

Yeah, that's the outline. This 'revelation' is about him not disclosing he had monetary interests in Russia, which if you squint could open him up to blackmail, I guess?

Well, the deal fell through, so I guess technically it wasn't a monetary interest in Russia?

No, the problem is that he didn't disclose it while it happened. Which, conceivably, the Russians could still later leak.

it's treason to collude with a foreign country to win a US election whether or not the foreign country in question is under sanction for annexing other countries iirc

I think it ultimately still boils down to 'here's damaging info on Hillary in exchange for easing of sanctions' right?

― frogbs, Monday, August 28, 2017 10:06 AM (nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Doesn't that require Congress?

No, the problem is that he didn't disclose it while it happened. Which, conceivably, the Russians could still later leak.

― Frederik B, Monday, August 28, 2017 10:17 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The deal fell through before the primaries began.

x-post: Yes, which is why the way to do it would be to, for example, include it in the plank at the Republican convention ;)

y'all know there are already people investigating this right

don't know that it *has* to make sense to us

Part of the issue is Russian money saved Trumps ass from the brink of irrelevancy in the 2000s and in return Trump is willing to view Russia and Russians in a more favorable light. Especially in his narcissist land he lives in where 'people who help me = good, people who hurt me = bad and must be destroyed'. Its been on display the entire time.

y'all know there are already people investigating this right

― Neanderthal, 28. august 2017 18:10 (fifty-two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

don't know that it *has* to make sense to us

― Neanderthal, 28. august 2017 18:11 (fifty-one minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The problem is kinda that there is so many different people investigating this. There is Mueller, there is congress, and there is a ton of journalists. It's not a bad idea to take a step back and wonder what the story is even supposed to be, imo. Especially because there really are quite a few stories that don't have any relevance to the bigger picture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=51&v=9N5Kun2sJPA

fake news?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-donald-trump-kompromat-nikita-isaev-new-russia-movement-state-tv-us-president-a7929966.html

we need the pee tape more than ever

Like his flock would even flinch. I bet his core would love him better for it.

but I thought all far-right politicians liked each other and wanted the same things

In the "huh, I never thought about that" category, I just saw David Axelrod interviewed and answering questions at the local university. Someone asked him about Russia, and he said he had just been speaking with Adam Schiff, and that Schiff's biggest fear was not necessarily that people in Trump's orbit had cooperated with Russia but that the next time the impact of their meddling could be even greater. As an example, he noted how easy it could be for Russia to, say, slip just five fake pages into a 60,000 page wikileaks dump, and what kind of chaos something that simple might inspire.

Huh, I never thought about that.

didn't the Macron campaign intentionally do something like this so they could discredit them later

sigh

it's on!

Advisory Board:

-neocon blogger
-perjurer
-wonk with no Russia background
-director of When Harry Met Sally
-right-wing talk radio guy pic.twitter.com/u7LA9Ej7K3

— David Klion (@DavidKlion) September 19, 2017

And here I was thinking Reiner would never recapture the hilarious absurdity of a Spinal Tap. Kudos.

This inquiry goes to eleven

could've at least put johnD on ahead of Meathead

This is not Valery Gerasimov. pic.twitter.com/102BecI8r2

— Alexey Kovalev (@Alexey__Kovalev) September 19, 2017

Off to a cracking start, lads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbKNICg-REA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=49&v=Uz9PNoecNxU

lol

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKwMzG5X0AAob32.jpg:large

i... what?

miso confused

Russians are still messing w America on social media, in this case posing as Boston Antifa to foment dissension re: the NFL

this is too fucking weird.

not to get all black mirror but this seems like just the very beginning of something that will never go away

It might not go away but it can be severely hampered. The famous oligarch-funded SPB troll factory has pretty much abandoned Twitter and pivoted to video started to focus on gaming domestic news search metrics - partly because it doesn't seem to have been considered worth the effort but probably primarily because Twitter actively went after them and shut down 80% of their accounts.

Facebook, by and large, doesn't have this problem. Even the Russian site Vkontakte has less of an issue - because you need a valid phone number to register a new account.

You can buy a thousand Twitter folllowers or Instagram likes at vending machines in Moscow for $2. You can hire people to run fake accounts for you online for not much more. Until Twitter and IG stop inflating their user numbers by counting fake accounts and start looking at ways to cull them systematically, it is only likely to get worse.

started to focus on gaming domestic news

read this as "domestic gaming news"

neat thread on that Boston Antifa account

so the fake antifa twitter fucked up today and included their geo location.

this is a really interesting case because it illustrates a few- pic.twitter.com/ZeZmSZXkQg

— j🎃ssica (@my2k) September 27, 2017

Jesus christ.

maybe that gaffe was on purpose, cocky, like, american football is so old school; the real sport is international trolling and getting away with treason

Reminds me of this:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/crime/2013/03/boston_police_catfishing_indie_rockers_cops_pose_as_punks_on_the_internet.html

wow if the FBI includes this fake NFL meme as evidence then it will be an open-shut case lol. /s

on the plus side the next time the US needs to depose a leader hey no need for armed conflict or drones just make some based memes.

a catch with that is other countries in the world, at least first world nations, don't have masses of assholes like we do dumb enough to vote for super-rightwing dipshits we consider 'normal conservatives'. the first world countries are a lot smarter on the whole than kochistan