Young Kirk n Spock + Lost = new Star Trek movie

I liked when he told him to "get tae ..."

I read somewhere he was trying to give the character a partial Lithlingow accent.

KEENSER

Why did I know you'd remember the name.

That was just a random interjection, sorry.

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Linlithgow, Ned!

Not seen this yet or heard his accent, but I expect him to sound more Scottish than Doonan because: a) how could it be worse? and b) I know that he's spent at least a little time in Scotland because I once saw him in Borders in Glasgow.

doohan even

Linlithgow, Ned!

Thank you, I figured I was spelling it wrong.

He got married in Glasgow too; I think his wife is Scottish.

About the accent: I think he was tryin to merge real Scoatush w/Scotty's. Am maybe just overthinking it tho

Just took the boy to see this. It was good fun, Bones was probably the best performance, we lolled quite a bit, it made 2 hours go past quick. Morbs OTM re: Vulcan, but a refreshing lack of emo all the same. Don't think it bears over-analysing tbh.

A good touch: having an engineering section that actually looked like, you know, engineering.

aggro young spock...wasn't that kid in wondershowzen? at any rate, that was shades of ralphie beating on the bully in christmas story == awesome

No wonder Vulcans have to repress their emotions, it's the only thing to do when they raise you by sticking you in sunken learning pods all day and have you stand around and answer questions.

That's always been a thing in Star Trek, that Vulcans are raging balls of homicidal whup-ass barely contained by veneer of logic.

"also A+ @ beastie boyz"

A+ WAAT?

The alternate timeline lets them have a history where there was a "Sabotage" but no "Intergalactic" obv.

Film was so much better than I was expecting, but Beastie Boys and Slusho made it.

The little dude who just can't stop sitting on things that Simon Pegg doesn't want him to sit on, also.

The guy who makes those Madea movies is in this.

but not, alas, as Uhura's mother.

really, blowing up Planet Logic was bad enough but the jokey bit at the end when Spock says "nah" to Kirk wanting to let Nero surrender was cheap.

There was an insanely excited feel in the air

I hope it was the Return of the King crowd, that's the only explanation.

It was cheap, maybe there is some excuse about them being still young hotheads or something.

or, with Vulcan conveniently out of the way, Abrams can continue unimpeded with the All-American Kirk/Obama militarism in the next chapters.

I wanted to think it wasn't that kind of assholism but maybe. Kirk was always a bit of an asshole in TOS anyway. Spock not so much tho.

Is there really a canyon that deep in Iowa?

It does in the 24th century thanks to GLOBAL WARMING.

No wonder Vulcans have to repress their emotions, it's the only thing to do when they raise you by sticking you in sunken learning pods all day and have you stand around and answer questions.

Yeah, but nice callback to the beginning of ST IV: Save the Whales. I believe they were even being asked some of the same questions Spock was in that movie.

or, with Vulcan conveniently out of the way, Abrams can continue unimpeded with the All-American Kirk/Obama militarism in the next chapters.

― Dr Morbius, Saturday, May 9, 2009 11:47 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

do you really think the plot device of blowing up vulcan is a crypto-right-wing plot

i'm starting to think this is all a put-on by Morbius, how can someone actually be filled with so much anger at Star Trek

yes Morbs. How do you feel?

i agree with some of morbs's criticisms, but the idea that jj abrams was like "if only i could get that pesky vulcan planet out of the way i'd be free to espouse my obama militarism as much as i'd like!!" is kinda kookoo.

xxp: not at Star Trek, at its boom bam bang Star Warsification.

http://www.thelmagazine.com/TheMeasure/archives/2009/05/08/boldly-going-deep-into-freudian-analysis

HENRY:
Obama's election was initially heralded as the dawn of a new era of bipartisanship; if that hasn't quite worked out, it looks like at least some Hollywood producers paid attention. And thus, an Obama-minded blockbuster! But the problem with such (arguably naive) political "centrism" and "moderation" is that it's still based upon a belief in violence as a panacea. What did you make of the film's militarism?

BEN:
You know, I was pretty divided by Star Trek's blockbuster military fetishism (the preceding trailer for Transformers 2 had me a little queasy from the get-go). On the one hand, as you noted, this does seem to be a film informed by a shift in leadership from unilateralism (Bush) to coalition-building (Obama) — unless this whole franchise is really about an intergalactic United Nations, which I suspect is the case. On the other hand, how diplomatic can a movie that takes such obvious narrative and visual pleasure from death and destruction really be? Beyond the spectacular scenes of planet destruction, I found the frequent moments where the camera lingered on some anonymous extra's death strangely jarring — as happens whenever a missile hits a ship, when Vulcan is collapsing, and on a few other occasions. Even more unnerving, I thought, was the moment when the crew of the Enterprise sits watching the Romulan ship explode, then laughs (maniacally) at the extermination of the last of that species. The film acknowledges this scene's undiplomatic bent, but does that really make it okay?

also, I knew the time travel BS was gonna be a groaner when I saw Nimoy was billed as "Spock Prime."

no u didnt

the idea that jj abrams was like "if only i could get that pesky vulcan planet out of the way i'd be free to espouse my obama militarism as much as i'd like!!"

I didn't say it was necessarily conscious. It's $200 mil, babe, the messages are hardwired.

hardwired like a tinfoil hat

can we get you to Vulcan?

^ espousing hardwired Obama militarism

kinda figured it was like "hey, people want to see exciting explosions because this franchise is kinda talky etc... let's do that". like every film where the hero tries to save the villain from falling off and then the watch slips and Hans crashes to the ground.

if the ship was being sucked into a black hole, i don't know why they had to blow it up more though.

also: JJ needs to stop with the fucking lens flares already. also the camera moved too much because he must have been "aah, these massive lumbering ships are kinda dull". star trek battle scenes only work if there is a stalking tension or if there's loads of ships firing at the borg.

lol sure send me to a fictional planet mr. spaceman

also: JJ needs to stop with the fucking lens flares already.

also the camera moved too much

Yes this is true, and I especially noticed it at one point--Spock was on the bridge making some sort of command decision, and the camera was shaking and his head was getting clipped and i was like "wtf this is not reality tv."

Woah judging from that one youtube clip is the new Star Trek is a shoegaze movie?

This was awesome

you eat one bean and you're stuffed!#@

great

I am up to Undiscovered Country in my obligated catchup - clunky, but well-meaning, and obv. way more watchable than V, which was a total clusterfuck. On to the Stewart years...

saw this with mom. for mother's day. which made a lot of sense -- I remember watching this series in the early 80's with my grandmother, who would tell me that in 1966, as a social studies 7th/8th grade teacher she'd tell her catholic school students to go home and watch this amazing new morality play called 'Star Trek'

so I was totally entertained & misty-eyed at the characterizations which they really nailed, Bones & Scotty in particular but young conflicted Spock also made sense to me -- like a vote of confidence in the franchise, I could not help but love this

so much that I could even overlook the fairly stupid plot. I hear Morbs on this -- the idea of a crazed villain whose resentment is born from the Federation over-promising to save his people from a natural disaster is... well, I'd almost hear that, but the military solution is a little gleeful. the original show was so expert at displaying complexities -- this new film has the fun characterization & an unbelievably cool cast, but... Federation Utopia is getting tougher and tougher to posit, and this new film doesn't even try

I can't remember a single thing about any next generation movie except for the bit with kirk dying. I must have not even seen the last one or two.

& also yeah the whole alternative-timeline thing is maddening. I'm so much more of a fan of Asimov / McCaffrey in attempting to build a consistent 4th dimension, if people are travelling through time, they're travelling through a fixed vector god damn it, do not be lazy with your scripting -- I'm sad that if they move forward with this, they have basically invalidated the concrete history of the last 40 years of ST films / episodes, that is fucking selfish of them

xpost I missed the last one, the one before that was like a bad TNG episode, and the one before that had Alice Kriege as the Borg Queen and a Ronald D. Moore script and it was all right (though it also suffered from alternative timeline tension, they resolved it before film-end like Ellison)

I'm so much more of a fan of Asimov / McCaffrey in attempting to build a consistent 4th dimension

But those are individual authors versus what has now long been a collective/committee effort, to put it mildly. The impulse to go ahead and put a new stamp on it from newer members of the same team is (dare I say) logical.

FWIW, on the commentary he and Braga did for First Contact about four years back, both Moore and Braga expressed their hope that the franchise would reboot in some way or fashion, precisely because of how the issues of overarching continuity had become increasingly overwhelming.

Meanwhile the whole principle of alternate universes/timelines/etc has been a part of Trek since the original series. If that's the hook that Abrams et al have used then go back and blame Roddenberry et al for creating it to start with.

I don't mind alternative universes, I love "Mirror, Mirror" and all the followup episodes (some of the only DS9 episodes I could take featured sado-Kira). Those allow for consistency. Alternative timeline nonsense bugs me more than watching people parachute from space through the atmospheric layer.

Perhaps it is time, though. Perhaps it is time for Spock / Uhura love episodes. I'll loosen up and stay positive in that they really did find an amazing cast for the reboot.

x10 awesome

The Mirror Universe was first introduced in the original Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror". In the Terran Empire, officers were promoted for assassinating their superiors and order was kept by use of the "Agonizer" pain-giving devices. In some serious cases, the "Agony Booth" could also be used. Aesthetic differences included: the Mirror-crew's uniforms were flamboyant and somewhat robe-like, with ceremonial daggers for the officers; Mirror-Sulu was a Gestapo-like political officer with a disfiguring facial scar; Mirror-Spock had a goatee (which has led to a number of pop culture references of people from "evil alternate universes" having goatees, whereas the regular character does not); the "United Nations" emblem of the Federation was replaced in the Terran Empire symbol, which was a vertical sword of conquest savagely thrust through the Earth.

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