White trick-or-treaters in blackface: C/D?

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After thinking about those kids and this thread some more, I'm positive there's no way anyone could be certain that I overreacted. (Yes, I realize that I wasn't wholly descriptive of the situation and the temperament of my reaction.) I had given those kids the benefit of the doubt since I assumed they were Wallace fans, even though they were wearing head-to-toe jet black and double Oscar Gambles. (Again, replace the jerseys with almost any other clothing and you'd really be baffled.) But I cannot be certain about the intent. Those kids were young enough to have impressionable racist fathers or mothers who might've thought it to be cute. You also have to consider that I'm not in the most diverse metropolitan area. There are pockets of very visible hatred and ignorance: cross burnings, graffiti, the above-mentioned lawn jockeys, all recent and/or ongoing. Three incidents I was involved in as a bystander will always stay with me, and they all occurred within 10-15 miles of where I live. So, no, I cannot assume either way about the kids, and if something similar happens next year I will hopefully see the parents nearby and have a civilized discussion. I seriously doubt that any of you who have posted on this thread would've shrugged off what I saw.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 6 November 2005 02:07 (twenty years ago)

Andy, where exactly are you at?

― KSTFUNS (Ex Leon), Sunday, 6 November 2005 15:16 (twenty years ago)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/tracerhand/l8hweenafghangirl.jpg

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

hahahahaha

― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 12:49 (twenty years ago)

that is so cool

― A Nairn (moretap), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 13:13 (twenty years ago)

Minstrel team forced to polish off their act

― Mädchen (Madchen), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 13:50 (twenty years ago)

'Arabing up' funnier and more acceptable than 'blacking up' shockah?

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 13:55 (twenty years ago)

i wouldnt laugh if it was just generic "arabing up" but dressing yourself as a famous national geographic cover is funny regardless of circumstances, my laughter shouldnt imply endorsement but i think it has less room for misinterpretation than lil white kids in afro wigs and shoe polish on their faces (however i would also laugh at someone costumed as the infamous time magazine dark OJ cover from 1994)

― _, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 14:34 (twenty years ago)

well yes it's the difference between dressing up as a person, or dressing up as a race.

― ken c (ken c), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 14:55 (twenty years ago)

http://static.flickr.com/27/57205322_60c06b7cef.jpg

― Jdubz (ex machina), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:41 (twenty years ago)

well yes it's the difference between dressing up as a person, or dressing up as a race.

i'm not sure if that NG cover is really any different to dressing up as Ben Wallace, synthetic skin tone and all, in terms of the outcome. it's useful here for perspective.

re 'Arabing up' - for ages on this thread i wanted to mention Eminem as Bin Laden in the 'Without Me' video, and even Chris Morris as 'Fur Q' in Brass Eye and the differences there, how they escape potential outrage and why, but I couldn't get round to formulating the point fully and it seems kinda moot ultimately.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 15:50 (twenty years ago)

afghanistan isn't an arabian country.

― hstencil (hstencil), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:10 (twenty years ago)

Was Arabian Prince legitamately Arabian? I have my doubts.

― Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:18 (twenty years ago)

Remember when Reeves and Mortimer used to black up and do Otis Redding and Marvin Gaye as a couple of puppets who lived in a wardrobe? Don't remember anyone complaining about that. (Obviously Americans will have no idea what i'm on about)

― Oh No, It's Dadaismus (Dada), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:21 (twenty years ago)

I already mentioned that. Quite a few people did complain in the end, and they had to do the sketch minus face paint.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 16:22 (twenty years ago)

Stencil stole my not-so-pedantic point. Seriously though, guys, this really does have to do with the quality of the makeup! I know that doesn't fit very well into our logical race framework, but it's totally true. National Geographic guy has actually done a really good job with the skin-tone -- it's like a sincere attempt at realism. Plus there's nothing super-"funny" about it, it's kinda more sweet. It's mostly annoying when people do really crude "funny" shoe-polish shit, which on some reason reads kinda like "hahaha black people have dark skin! that's so hilarious!"

― nabiscothingy, Tuesday, 8 November 2005 21:52 (twenty years ago)

Yeah, National Geographic dude even has the windblown dirt smudges down.

― jaymc (jaymc), Tuesday, 8 November 2005 21:59 (twenty years ago)

what about these? are these offensive? If not, how are they different from the Ben Wallace costume:

http://cache.halloweenmart.com/images/ip013649.jpg

http://cache.halloweenmart.com/images/ip013650.jpg

http://cache.halloweenmart.com/images/ip008979.jpg

http://cache.halloweenmart.com/images/ip011288.jpg

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 10:20 (twenty years ago)

that samuri's moustache doesn't seem too much like a sincere attempt.

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 10:22 (twenty years ago)

This is a sincere attempt:

http://www.alorabrooks.com/whitechicks.jpg

where this is not:

http://www.clown-ministry.com/images/FrancescoCaroli-cropped.jpg

but these are not too offensive. Is it because of historical context and minority vs. majority?

― A Nairn (moretap), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 10:42 (twenty years ago)

how are they different from the Ben Wallace costume:

As one example, the third woman down is not covered in red paint.

― Andy_K (Andy_K), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 11:23 (twenty years ago)

I was offended by White Chicks on several levels, despite having not seen it.

― Sociah T Azzahole (blueski), Wednesday, 9 November 2005 11:26 (twenty years ago)

one month passes...

http://www.hiphop-blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/blackfacejesus.jpg

http://www.hiphop-blogs.com/hiphop/2005/12/blackface_jesus.html

― $#@!!, Monday, 19 December 2005 21:00 (twenty years ago)

I read about 5 comments and then felt my eyes beginning to bleed.

― Dan (I Hate Stupid People) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:09 (twenty years ago)

If someone dressed up as darth vader and painted their face black, it wouldn't be "blackface darth vader," just darth vader.

Nonwithstanding the fact that Darth Vader actually wears a mask and is not dark skinned? What kind of crap Darth Vader costumes has this man seen!!!

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:18 (twenty years ago)

If someone dressed up as darth vader and painted the darth vader face on their ass, it wouldn't be "assface darth vader," just darth vader.

― Dan (MDK) Perry (Dan Perry), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:20 (twenty years ago)

If someone dressed up as darth vader and wore a colts jersey, it wouldn't be "peyton manning darth vader," just darth vader.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:23 (twenty years ago)

We could have a whole slew of brilliant Darth Vader costumes with this logic!! Did it ever occur to anyone on this thread that the kids who started this all were actually dressed up as "Ben Wallace Darth Vader"???????

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:24 (twenty years ago)

but Darth Vader IS black

― detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:28 (twenty years ago)

Darth Vader is Justin Timberlake, everyone knows that.

― Allyzay must fight Zolton herself. (allyzay), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:31 (twenty years ago)

He's a simple, country boy who loves his mama.

― detoxyDancer (sexyDancer), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:36 (twenty years ago)

but Darth Vader IS black

He certainly sounds black.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:39 (twenty years ago)

http://www.sith.nl/multimedia/characters/darth_vader/others/vader%20unmasked.jpg

― $#@!!!, Monday, 19 December 2005 21:42 (twenty years ago)

Black Darth Vadar in whiteface: C/D?

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Monday, 19 December 2005 21:47 (twenty years ago)

five months pass...

http://www.seahawks.com/ConFiles/Con4494/Grant260_0914.jpg http://www.rotarylombardiaward.com/wistromc.jpg

http://www.seahawks.com/ardisplay.aspx?ID=4494&SecID=29

― INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 03:29 (twenty years ago)

http://www.seahawks.com/ConFiles/Con4494/Group250_0914.jpg

― kingfish doesn't live here anymore (kingfish 2.0), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 04:21 (twenty years ago)

aka, any nu-metal band circa 1999.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 04:46 (twenty years ago)

http://www.vinyltap.co.uk/gallery/ja/jahwob4985867630065620.jpg

― S- (sgh), Tuesday, 30 May 2006 05:18 (twenty years ago)

http://www.thespiannet.com/actors/H/hudson_ernie/eh.jpg

http://www.tokyobabyloncosplay.com/fotofiere/2004ott/180ghostbusters.jpg

― INSANE CLOWN FOSSE (Adrian Langston), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:33 (twenty years ago)

okay all those costumes are terrible.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 01:37 (twenty years ago)

Ned by "any" I think you mean "a specific band called Mudvayne"

― Thomas Tallis (Tommy), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 02:49 (twenty years ago)

last halloween i couldn't believe all the little kids dressed like pimps. i didn't see them bitch slap anyone though.

anyway, since i am still obsessed with jerry lewis's lost epic, i found this cool site (it might be old to other obsessives) with crazy pictures of jerry in blackface. as if a crazy movie about a clown leading children to the gas chambers wasn't questionable enough, he makes it a blackface clown:

http://www.subcin.com/clowncried.html

(you can download the whole screenplay on that site!)

― scott seward (scott seward), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 02:56 (twenty years ago)

that is a great martin luther king costume

― me and deluca (account), Tuesday, 6 June 2006 03:03 (twenty years ago)

one year passes...

http://www.i-mockery.com/minimocks/weho-06/weho351.jpg

― and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:46 (eighteen years ago)

favorite posts

1) nude spock (?) comes to save me from dan perry's racism

2) stelfox admits to rockin algierz gear

― and what, Tuesday, 23 October 2007 20:59 (eighteen years ago)