Democratic (Party) Direction

Is there any chance that articles like this will nuance the perceived moral superiority of relying on small-dollar donations? Probably not.

You don't need to think small donations are superior (morally or strategically) to think that that's a really bad sign.

eh I'm not particularly worried that small donations are not currently flooding the DNC

was Trump the first time the candidate that raised the most money *didn't* win the presidential election?

x-post: I agree. I'm just not that surprised. So much of the right-wing echo chamber has been basically a grift based on offering empowering messages in exchange for cash.

Are you guys arguing for the Democrats to be the party of oligarchy?

Or that money doesn't matter anymore? IDGI...

Like Democrats need a reason to be completely freaked out amirite

Even if you don't care about the relative paucity of small donors (which...nevermind) you should at least care that their messaging is atrocious. (I roll with Marxists so I know terrible messaging when I see it.)

I agree w points about the language employed in emails but people tend to donate to individual candidates more than the party. Also DCCC out raised its GOP counterpart.

their messaging is atrocious

yeah what else is new

Seemed a relevant concern for the Democratic Party Direction thread.

messaging is always bad esp in this country u need an "outsider" running if u want to win. there are obviously brutal electoral and ideological challenges facing the democratic party atm but ppl were writing off the republicans this time last year that they could never win a national election again.

Even if you don't care about the relative paucity of small donors (which...nevermind) you should at least care that their messaging is atrocious. (I roll with Marxists so I know terrible messaging when I see it.)

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 11. august 2017 00:56 (thirty minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I agree with that as well. And I think that the Dems, as with any leftist(ish) party, should preferably be as grassroots as possible. But I do feel a certain skepticism about small-donor contributions in general, because, as the article also says, it's actually really really hard to get it right, while it's comparably really easy to use as a grift.

(full disclosure: I rely partly on contributions to fund my own critical career, which might have something to do with my annoyance at what works and what doesn't. So feel free to take what I say with a grain of salt. This one time)

https://theoutline.com/post/2092/the-dnc-keeps-snubbing-the-left

I liked this

Telling ppl what they should care about is a better and better look the further left u go iirc

i have no fucking idea what that means, dmac, and it's possible you don't either

Twasnt for u but if it takes then no harm neither

ICYMI, Warren shoveled some dirt on Clintonism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/08/14/elizabeth-warrens-advice-for-democrats-dont-fall-back-to-the-center/

nice

Aside from all the reasons it was terrible for its own sake, I'm concerned that Charlottesville will blunt efforts to swing the party to the left economically becuase "see, they're all just racists"

otm

huh?

^^ otm

huh?

2018 is about a year away. the left could put together some policies and a platform but will probably focus on optics like taking down statues, treating the symptom not the cure. also see equating 350 people with "half the country is irredeemable" cos that was a great strategy

"The Democratic Party should be completely freaked out that they're being crushed by Trump in small-dollar donations"

Fuck this, if this is true I have a hunch it has to do with people throwing piles of money at the DNC and *still* watching them fuck up. Clinton raised around 1.5 BILLION. Trump came in just under that. Money should be the last problem the Dems have. How about a better get out the vote effort, a return to the 50 state strategy, and a more concerted and visible - and proactive fight/education campaign against gerrymandering rather than waiting for the fight to come to them via the SC?

huh?

the discourse itt is so good rn

^^ otm

huh?

burrito stall

nu

What?

Huh's on first, what's on second, otm's on third

wait, who's otm?

nu?

HOOS otm?

2018 is about a year away. the left could put together some policies and a platform but will probably focus on optics like taking down statues, treating the symptom not the cure. also see equating 350 people with "half the country is irredeemable" cos that was a great strategy

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, August 15, 2017 6:59 AM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Sage words, from a man who thinks the expression is 'treat the cure'.

Going to wager there were more DSA members than Democratic wonks pulling down the Durham statue tbh

Sage words, from a man who thinks the expression is 'treat the cure'.

obviously i meant treat the disease. but feel free to further punish me in bad faith for being ideologically inconsistent while offering zero ideas of your own

Just cos nobody else has any ideas doesn't mean you should give us yours

ILX, a website where Adam Bruneau is "punished"

Just cos nobody else has any ideas doesn't mean you should give us yours

new board description

Aside from all the reasons it was terrible for its own sake, I'm concerned that Charlottesville will blunt efforts to swing the party to the left economically becuase "see, they're all just racists"

― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Tuesday, August 15, 2017 10:19 AM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i see what you mean by this but, as always, the opinions of the loudest and most obnoxious people on twitter aren't necessarily representative

Unless they're wipipo

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/08/special-elections-are-telling-a-hopeful-story-for-democrats.html

there's another thread about moribundity of liberalism where this might work better but i can't remember what that thread is called

http://digressionsnimpressions.typepad.com/digressionsimpressions/2017/08/on-the-significance-of-donald-trumps-racism.html

synthesize nazi-white knighting, voter disenfranchisement, and russian collusion. seems pretty obvious. but you know the democrats (and republicans)

Hmmm. The DNC is going after Trump for his "empty promises on border wall." pic.twitter.com/mWGaiVkEkO

— Allan Smith (@akarl_smith) August 22, 2017