Democratic (Party) Direction

I realize this is a rich request as I will fully cop to being the sad king of rehashing shit

lol @ describing Deval Patrick as "some Bain Capital goon" as if that is the sum total of his identity and with zero knowledge of what his job at Bain actually is

That was all I knew of him when I asked the question.

If opponents can convincingly draw a line btwn him and subprime loans that could be a problem, I would think.

It seems weird to follow American politics and not know who Deval Patrick is!

lol @ describing Deval Patrick as "some Bain Capital goon" as if that is the sum total of his identity and with zero knowledge of what his job at Bain actually is

the depressing thing is that he would be a great candidate and this is exactly how he's going to be smeared if he does run

Like, I would say, if you can name 50 Democrats, I would expect Deval Patrick to be one of them, not that I think naming 50 Democrats would be a good use of your time.

uh how do you go to bain after public service and not think "GOODBYE, SERVICE, BEEN REAL!"

I mean all I really care about is, is dude gonna be pro single payer and taxing the fuck out of the rich or not

xp lol true

I don't remember much about Patrick aside from Mass governor and not super popular at the end of his terms, but his exact job is doesn't seem all that important in an atmosphere where finance connections were a major campaign negative (primary and general).

As centrists say that progressives must accept reality and vote for the party's candidate no matter what in the face of what the GOP has become, the center must accept reality that they have to make that candidate somewhat palatable to the progressives.

Patrick is a great guy but was just an okay at best governer; I would not be surprised if his experience there pushes him away from running for President. I'd say overall Romney's term had more positive outcomes but that was largely due to a Democratic state senate nonstop pushing him in the right direction.

Patrick did a lot of hustling to get a Wynn casino built about 10 minutes north of Boston (and about 5 minutes from my house) which is either going to be great or a disaster.

His job at Bain is to identify and fund businesses that have a positive social impact, as profiled here:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/07/17/patrick-revels-role-developing-new-social-impact-bain-fund/hWtzrhYvIBPWVPL0UGKBqM/story.html

I'm curious about his time at Coke, I remember reading about the supposed targeted killings in Colombia when I was younger and the Wikipedia entry's section on it is pretty vague

the center must accept reality that they have to make that candidate somewhat palatable to the progressives.

this is otm, but i'm not sure where this line is. who are the viable candidates that the twitterati haven't already raked over the coals for one reason or another?

The thing is all anyone has to judge these people on right now is their CVs. When any of them actually start saying where they stand on things, those could potentially shift, I'd imagine.

Their CVs include a record of their actions when they have held public office so I'm not really seeing a problem here.

Those CVs don't necessarily reveal anything about their take on health care, campaign finance, national defense, any number of other things, esp for people who didn't live in the respective states in which they held public office

and of course it makes sense to not have stances on that stuff yet as it's Stupid Fucking Early.

When I'm hearing about candidates to consider, I think it's a good idea to seek out the opinions of people from whichever candidate's state etc.

Can we please stop forgetting that Hillary won the popular vote by nearly 3 percentage points, though?

and that and $2.75 will get her to her next paid speech

What ever could be the answer to this mysterious question posed by Ryan Cooper? A real head scratcher...

Why leftists don't trust Kamala Harris, Cory Booker, and Deval Patrick https://t.co/vAP95n6DGZ pic.twitter.com/dhZPvBPgGc

— ryan cooper (@ryanlcooper) August 3, 2017

did you even read it or did you just see an easy opportunity to snark

you mean, like, black leftists who've been leading critics of them?

the first leftist critique of kamala harris i read was super racist so i assume it proceeds from there

The Cooper article doesn't even mention her treatment of trans inmates, which has been the main thing I see people mentioning in their critiques

(There's also that prison labor business but I understand that was "lawyers from her office" and not Harris herself so there's some grey there.)

who are some examples of people that leftists trust? Glenn Greenwald? That worked out well for Reality Winner I guess

I read that article and it is dumb as fuck

otm

If there were a US equivalent to someone as left as Corbyn or Melenchon that would be something they might rally around more happily, but that doesn't seem likely. xxp

Beyond the obvious discrediting of mainstream black politicians, it is clear that most choices won't be acceptable due to worrying ties to the Democratic party.

The Cooper article doesn't even mention her treatment of trans inmates, which has been the main thing I see people mentioning in their critiques

i just don't understand why people are leaning so hard into the "Kamala Harris hates trans people" narrative over this:

Harris argues a stay is appropriate because she says Norsworthy has received sufficient medical treatment for gender dysphoria, she’s failed to demonstrate she faces immediate injury, the state will be irreparably harmed if a stay isn’t granted and gender reassignment surgery is a procedure that can wait.

“There is no evidence that Norsworthy is in serious, immediate physical or emotional danger,” Harris writes. “Norsworthy has been receiving hormone therapy for her gender dysphoria since 2000, and continues to receive hormone therapy and other forms of treatment.”

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2015/04/10/harris-appeals-order-granting-trans-inmate-gender-reassignment/

I read that article and it is dumb as fuck

― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Thursday, August 3, 2017 11:19 AM (eleven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Why is it "dumb as fuck"? They're politicians who actively take advantage/hurt people of color for their own personal ambitions. Not only is that immoral in and of itself, it also shows an incredible lack of personal integrity.

I can only imagine you could care less since the black people hurt by their policies aren't your garden path to Harvard sorts like you are, but lots of other people do actually care. I don't think that's dumb at all.

will you shut the fuck up please?

lol

wow what a horrible post

wow, I'll admit to trolling a bit by posting this stupid article, but wasn't expecting the ugliness on this thread to crank to the max so quickly.

how is this useless fuck not permabanned

c_k = larry appleton = in permanent furious personal-attack mode

Ehhh, sorry DJP, I apologize for the personal shit.

Yeah I am furious, because it's fucked up what happens out there in the world. Maybe I should chill out.

When I did an internship in law school, I represented a black kid who had a fucked life. Mom had just died, never knew his dad, grew up in poverty, and he was being taken care of by his space cadet aunt. My supervisor said he was a lost cause, so that's why he was giving me the case for practice.

He was slated for a two year sentence in a juvenile prison hell where 34% of the kids get violently raped. And that's what they know about!

Through hard work I was able to get him into a group home, this "hopeless case". My supervisor was going to let this kid drown, and the state, at that point, could've given a rat's ass if this kid got brutalized. When we won, my supervisor was pissed off. He wasn't happy, he was annoyed! And it was his job to defend his clients.

Why is any of this OK? Why is this normal? I think people should be more furious with what goes down here!

tearful account of personal heroism, right on cue

rmde

get some goddamned help and stop posting here plz

You dudes are a bunch of ghouls, I think that's the problem here. Normal people generally have no problem whatsoever with my viewpoints, because they're humane! Cripes.

Yeah, I will stop posting.

Do you normally roll up on people you know one or two factoids about and make wholly spurious assumptions about their character or do you just do that to middle-class black people?

Humane, normal people don't draw from this well of self-pity.

Or at least they don't weaponize it for use against others.

Sorry again, DJP, that was my own personal bitterness coming out there.

The point I was trying to make is that the status quo you're all supporting here is what leads to countless, unnecessary tragedies. And the leftists you're critiquing are at least trying to improve circumstances for people, to correct some of these god awful injustices. These are real people, real human lives. It's no joke to me.

Maybe I get a little too passionate about it because of my own personal experiences, but that doesn't make it any less real in the world.

Are you, like, missing the several dozen posts in which people defend this or that politician from charges of impurity?

this is a running monologue, it's like the rest of us aren't even here. which is why it is so goddamned annoying.