Democratic (Party) Direction

bernie stans are on their bullshit if they think he should be running again.

I prefer Bernie to any candidate mentioned thus far and I agree w/ this

my kingdom for a charismatic socialist under 60

its not about which candidate can beat trump bc im p sure anyone can at this point

Republicans said this about Obama iirc

im p sure anyone can at this point

I'm not sure about this at all. voter disenfranchisement is going to be in overdrive next election.

I really really think there's no way there won't be a better candidate than Andrew Cuomo, but i wdn't put it past them

(xp) Yeah, I mean, let's not sugarcoat it, the time to beat Trump was last time. He has lots of power to direct attention he didn't have before. I take it to be an absolute stone cold given we'll be involved in a high-profile military campaign in Nov 2020, and we'll be lucky if it's nu-Grenada and not nu-Vietnam.

But, that said, Trump got incredibly lucky in 2016 and there's no reason he'll get incredibly lucky again.

Bernie runs with Nina Turner, does single payer, and then dies. I think that's the plan.

misread that as Tina Turner and was like "ok, sure"

We don't need another hero

my kingdom for a charismatic socialist under 60

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, August 1, 2017 2:07 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im not eligible to run until 2024 tho

also my platform of openly wishing for the collapse of the nation-state and sending care packages to assata shakur weekly care packages will probably end my campaign pretty quickly

also my platform of openly wishing for the collapse of the nation-state and sending weekly care packages to assata shakur weekly care packages will probably end my campaign pretty quickly

well played YMP, well played

xxp

its not about which candidate can beat trump bc im p sure anyone can at this point

lol Dems are in a psychotic break from reality trapped in time loop muttering 2016 "he's unelectable" talking points to themselves.

not here to humor your weak bullshit, pass

I really really think there's no way there won't be a better candidate than Andrew Cuomo, but i wdn't put it past them

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 1, 2017 2:10 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nobody is going to vote for Cuomo, idk why anyone thinks he stands a snowball's chance in hell

Cuomo no go, bro

Where's gabbneb?

Symmetry required, etc

Cuomo has no national profile

can't think of anyone else in the country wgaf about the governor of NY

Whoever it would be has a couple years to build up one of those

few Dems under 70 do

Trump got incredibly lucky in 2016 and there's no reason he'll get incredibly lucky again.

thx dude u just doomed 'em

Even if a candidate can unite both wings of the party a huge swatch of people will just get tricked by misleading clickbait headlines into turning on them anyway, since that appears to happen to Democrats every week. The hacked emails functioned in an identical way. It's way too easy for the right wing to foster infighting on the left because way too many people will readily share anything without discernment if it's a part if a larger narrative they agree with. I've seen this occur with smearing of Bernie/Bernie wing as all.

I feel like this would be harder to do against a candidate who is actually broadly liked and clearly supports policies that would clearly improve peoples' lives

Name a Democratic candidate who is actually broadly liked.

Name a politician, period, who is broadly liked. Any country, actually.

I can think of one broadly popular politician who polling says is well-liked across the land (though as I've said plenty of times, I'd prefer he didn't run again)

but as I may or may not have said before I don't think Bernie is popular because he's a great orator (he isn't) or personality (meh) but because people actually support left policies and bold social programs if you ask them.

Is 57% now enough to call 'broadly'? You seriously think that's a bulwark against a sustained smear campaign?

in the US, yes

to your former question

Middling centrists offering incremental change at best sure as hell don't stand up to sustained smear campaigns, that's for sure

Yeah, I mean look at Obama

^^^

Back in 2013 Clinton had a 61% approval rating...

then she began talking

Obama is the correct answer

I can think of one broadly popular politician who polling says is well-liked across the land (though as I've said plenty of times, I'd prefer he didn't run again)

He's constitutionally barred from running again.

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I feel like Bernie is popular because he conveys authenticity and he puts his signature issues in unmistakably blunt terms. HIs word choices and emphasis. Him and Warren are good at contextualizing economic justice in moral terms.

whatever anyone thinks of him Obama had a lot going for him, beyond what i think were his considerable attributes. primarily i think he was a guy who was very transparent and honest, so much so that when anyone from the right tried to assign sinister motives to him, or frame him as the head of some conspiracy, or as a criminal (or worse, MICHELLE as a criminal), it wasn't nearly as successful bc it didn't fit what seemed pretty obvious to most of the voters. there wasn't any smoke around him (well, ok https://cdn.meme.am/cache/images/folder904/50x50/10706904.jpg, unlike Hillary.

not saying the smoke around Hillary was legit, she just didn't handle it skillfully.

I don't think Bernie is popular because he's a great orator (he isn't) or personality (meh) but because people actually support left policies and bold social programs if you ask them.

My challop on this is that there's not a politician in the country who's popular because people agree with their policies. Politicians get popular because people feel they're "the right kind of person." From this point of view it's not really very strange that plenty of people voted for Obama and then Trump.

O was a remarkable orator and politician, good luck finding another on his level.

I don't know if I believe something like Single Payer is this low hanging fruit of obvious popularity that Dems choose not to run with because they're "bad" or something and "it would be easy but the establishment doesn't want you to know that" but I feel like now is probably the best time to make that case. Hopefully they draw attention to the precipice ACA will always be close to for something more expansive and less vulnerable to dismantling since the fear of losing coverage really did galvanize people.

it's almost like popular, effective social programs that make peoples' lives materially better get people involved in politics

oh, and class divisions worsening over the course of O's tenure doesn't bode well for more of the same working in future either. people never used to give a shit about wall st speeches and stuff like that.