Democratic (Party) Direction

In what universe are economists not social scientists?

a better one?

Good article about NYC Adam's business venture prior to his "democrats bad" rebranding. https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2013/02/11/how-annoying-bar-customers-with-dead.html

Economists are definitely social scientists, they just don't seem to think so.

a lot of economists fancy themselves hard scientists, but i have touched them, their bodies are doughy and pliable

Also, they can be dissolved with surprisingly weak concentrations of acid.

not sure abt economists but def too many lawyers in politics

too many prosecutors, anyway

so at the risk of getting shit started, what's the short list of people who could effectively bridge the berniebot/ clintonista factions?

1) Elizabeth Warren
2) ...

That's about it right now, and even Warren has a spotty voting record iirc

so at the risk of getting shit started, what's the short list of people who could effectively bridge the berniebot/ clintonista factions?

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donald j trump

How about we hold an actual contest? You could call it a "primary." Dunno, just spitballing.

bernie stans are on their bullshit if they think he should be running again.

what's the short list of people who could effectively bridge the berniebot/ clintonista factions?

I literally think it's almost anyone. Every single person I've heard mentioned as a candidate -- Warren, K. Harris, Bernie himself, Amy Klobuchar, Gina Raimondo, Kaine, you name it -- is someone I would enthusiastically vote for and I truly believe most Democrats feel the same way. Am I crazy?

show me which economists involved in electoral politics actually test their notional models against real data in order to inform policies? afaict most economists in politics argue from assumptions that haven't been challenged since they won their fake Nobel and just fit whatever numbers are lying around to serve the interests of whomever they're a hack for.

by social scientists I guess I mean people who understand why p-hacking is bad and how to use data to get replicable and actionable results instead of "mining" for ultimately meaningless correlations

Am I crazy?

never underestimate the self-destructive factionalism of the left.

but yes I, like you, am on the anybody Trump train.

Honestly my biggest pipe dream is that Trump gets a primary challenger.

Agree with eephus and Οὖτις,. None of the names mentioned are off the table for me. I'll let it play out as it must, but I know I'm going to enthusiastically vote for the Democrat in the general election (assuming it happens).

I will also, undoubtedly, have opinions in the primary re: who will actually be the best candidate

4 me, its not about which candidate can beat trump bc im p sure anyone can at this point. it's about who drives out the most downticket votes and can lead a progressive agenda.

bernie stans are on their bullshit if they think he should be running again.

I prefer Bernie to any candidate mentioned thus far and I agree w/ this

my kingdom for a charismatic socialist under 60

its not about which candidate can beat trump bc im p sure anyone can at this point

Republicans said this about Obama iirc

im p sure anyone can at this point

I'm not sure about this at all. voter disenfranchisement is going to be in overdrive next election.

I really really think there's no way there won't be a better candidate than Andrew Cuomo, but i wdn't put it past them

(xp) Yeah, I mean, let's not sugarcoat it, the time to beat Trump was last time. He has lots of power to direct attention he didn't have before. I take it to be an absolute stone cold given we'll be involved in a high-profile military campaign in Nov 2020, and we'll be lucky if it's nu-Grenada and not nu-Vietnam.

But, that said, Trump got incredibly lucky in 2016 and there's no reason he'll get incredibly lucky again.

Bernie runs with Nina Turner, does single payer, and then dies. I think that's the plan.

misread that as Tina Turner and was like "ok, sure"

We don't need another hero

my kingdom for a charismatic socialist under 60

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Tuesday, August 1, 2017 2:07 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

im not eligible to run until 2024 tho

also my platform of openly wishing for the collapse of the nation-state and sending care packages to assata shakur weekly care packages will probably end my campaign pretty quickly

also my platform of openly wishing for the collapse of the nation-state and sending weekly care packages to assata shakur weekly care packages will probably end my campaign pretty quickly

well played YMP, well played

xxp

its not about which candidate can beat trump bc im p sure anyone can at this point

lol Dems are in a psychotic break from reality trapped in time loop muttering 2016 "he's unelectable" talking points to themselves.

not here to humor your weak bullshit, pass

I really really think there's no way there won't be a better candidate than Andrew Cuomo, but i wdn't put it past them

― ice cream social justice (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, August 1, 2017 2:10 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

nobody is going to vote for Cuomo, idk why anyone thinks he stands a snowball's chance in hell

Cuomo no go, bro

Where's gabbneb?

Symmetry required, etc

Cuomo has no national profile

can't think of anyone else in the country wgaf about the governor of NY

Whoever it would be has a couple years to build up one of those

few Dems under 70 do

Trump got incredibly lucky in 2016 and there's no reason he'll get incredibly lucky again.

thx dude u just doomed 'em

Even if a candidate can unite both wings of the party a huge swatch of people will just get tricked by misleading clickbait headlines into turning on them anyway, since that appears to happen to Democrats every week. The hacked emails functioned in an identical way. It's way too easy for the right wing to foster infighting on the left because way too many people will readily share anything without discernment if it's a part if a larger narrative they agree with. I've seen this occur with smearing of Bernie/Bernie wing as all.

I feel like this would be harder to do against a candidate who is actually broadly liked and clearly supports policies that would clearly improve peoples' lives

Name a Democratic candidate who is actually broadly liked.

Name a politician, period, who is broadly liked. Any country, actually.

I can think of one broadly popular politician who polling says is well-liked across the land (though as I've said plenty of times, I'd prefer he didn't run again)