Democratic (Party) Direction

again I just can see Dems ever doing the majority of those things, even the modest ones, soooo

100% estate tax and guillotines?

sounds p good right now

100% estate tax and guillotines?

sounds p good right now

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.)

hey, you know how a top ilx pastime right now is looking back on stuff we said a year ago for morbid yuks?

it's only a morbid yuk if it comes true and that'll take a lot more than a year I'd expect

“A Better Deal: Better Jobs, Better Wages, Better Future”

wow with a slogan this good they don't even need policies.

better future? where do i donate my money?

i like better future!

Yeah Schumer said the other day "we're not going to include any policies at all so don't bother looking it up, we're just going to use a slogan only" me and the people online I get my news from were all really upset about it.

they should try to pass a bill stripping healthcare from elected representatives i bet that would be extraordinarily popular

Isn't it Better Skills Better Jobs Better Wages?

was there just the op-ed in the NYT or somewhere more official to see a fuller slate of things?

the policy aspects that came along with the new slogan were: $15 minimum wage, increased antitrust activity (believe that when I see it) and negotiating for lower prescription drugs (lol that went out the window immediately during ACA)

15$ min wage might mean something without a six-year wait attached, I also don't believe the antitrust thing, and that doesn't sound like he said single payer, that thing americans like

single payer? you mean "medicare for all" right? :)

but yeah medicare for all or gtfo

the coal industry and the health insurance industry need to be about 1/20th the size they are now. it's so dispiriting realizing this is the inevitable endgame but having to go through decades of stupidity and greed and millions of people dying in order to get there. surely we can jump start this?? have a plan for investment in renewable energy that includes specific initiatives for the people who lose their jobs, tangible stuff like training and actual monetary support. it's all the same thing. healthier people, healthier planet, higher-tech, fully automated luxury communism

universal basic income

universal health care

universal tuition remission

better ingredients
better pizza

this is a pretty succinct statement of something I've been thinking for a while https://t.co/HPzn4fbAo3

— slackbot (@pareene) July 30, 2017

the highest levels of dem policy is all lawyers & economists. both fields suffer from key flaws. there are no social scientists to balance.

yes. but I know some people who are actively trying to do something about that exact problem

I made a handy guide to when you can criticize the democratic party pic.twitter.com/2fybtCEN53

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) June 30, 2017

It's "tongue in cheek" because he does it every day, see?

pic.twitter.com/ELwwEvoonp

— Pixelated Boat (@pixelatedboat) August 1, 2017

In what universe are economists not social scientists?

a better one?

Good article about NYC Adam's business venture prior to his "democrats bad" rebranding. https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2013/02/11/how-annoying-bar-customers-with-dead.html

Economists are definitely social scientists, they just don't seem to think so.

a lot of economists fancy themselves hard scientists, but i have touched them, their bodies are doughy and pliable

Also, they can be dissolved with surprisingly weak concentrations of acid.

not sure abt economists but def too many lawyers in politics

too many prosecutors, anyway

so at the risk of getting shit started, what's the short list of people who could effectively bridge the berniebot/ clintonista factions?

1) Elizabeth Warren
2) ...

That's about it right now, and even Warren has a spotty voting record iirc

so at the risk of getting shit started, what's the short list of people who could effectively bridge the berniebot/ clintonista factions?

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donald j trump

How about we hold an actual contest? You could call it a "primary." Dunno, just spitballing.

bernie stans are on their bullshit if they think he should be running again.

what's the short list of people who could effectively bridge the berniebot/ clintonista factions?

I literally think it's almost anyone. Every single person I've heard mentioned as a candidate -- Warren, K. Harris, Bernie himself, Amy Klobuchar, Gina Raimondo, Kaine, you name it -- is someone I would enthusiastically vote for and I truly believe most Democrats feel the same way. Am I crazy?

show me which economists involved in electoral politics actually test their notional models against real data in order to inform policies? afaict most economists in politics argue from assumptions that haven't been challenged since they won their fake Nobel and just fit whatever numbers are lying around to serve the interests of whomever they're a hack for.

by social scientists I guess I mean people who understand why p-hacking is bad and how to use data to get replicable and actionable results instead of "mining" for ultimately meaningless correlations

Am I crazy?

never underestimate the self-destructive factionalism of the left.

but yes I, like you, am on the anybody Trump train.

Honestly my biggest pipe dream is that Trump gets a primary challenger.

Agree with eephus and Οὖτις,. None of the names mentioned are off the table for me. I'll let it play out as it must, but I know I'm going to enthusiastically vote for the Democrat in the general election (assuming it happens).

I will also, undoubtedly, have opinions in the primary re: who will actually be the best candidate

4 me, its not about which candidate can beat trump bc im p sure anyone can at this point. it's about who drives out the most downticket votes and can lead a progressive agenda.

bernie stans are on their bullshit if they think he should be running again.

I prefer Bernie to any candidate mentioned thus far and I agree w/ this

my kingdom for a charismatic socialist under 60

its not about which candidate can beat trump bc im p sure anyone can at this point

Republicans said this about Obama iirc

im p sure anyone can at this point

I'm not sure about this at all. voter disenfranchisement is going to be in overdrive next election.

I really really think there's no way there won't be a better candidate than Andrew Cuomo, but i wdn't put it past them

(xp) Yeah, I mean, let's not sugarcoat it, the time to beat Trump was last time. He has lots of power to direct attention he didn't have before. I take it to be an absolute stone cold given we'll be involved in a high-profile military campaign in Nov 2020, and we'll be lucky if it's nu-Grenada and not nu-Vietnam.

But, that said, Trump got incredibly lucky in 2016 and there's no reason he'll get incredibly lucky again.

Bernie runs with Nina Turner, does single payer, and then dies. I think that's the plan.

misread that as Tina Turner and was like "ok, sure"

We don't need another hero