Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

wins:

TP fans: a character impregnating someone in a coma is a step too far even for this show

25 years ago it depicted (first through suggestion then through filmed scenes) a father repeatedly raping and then killing his daughter. the likelihood that bad cooper fathered richard through rape feels well within the vibe of the show to me.

dowd:

It felt a bit more like this was about violence against women, rather than being exploitative

otm, it's women in trouble. apart from candie (who is apparently not the empty vessel she appears to be), imo every woman who was attacked in part 10 was a sympathetic portrayal, not an opportunistic one.

breaking this off into a separate post:

I find some of Lynch's monsters more sophisticated and chilling in their conception than others, and therefore even when their actions are extremely disturbing I feel like I'm not just watching cheap pulp exploitation. Richard and Ike the Spike to me are more in line with the dumb brute, gross-out psychos like the hit men in Wild at Heart, and not necessarily what some people who prefer Twin Peaks to Lynch's other work had been waiting for.

― Chris L, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 05:18 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there seem to be two distinct categories of bad guys in this show:

• high status: bad cooper/BOB
• low status: richard, chad, ike, mr todd &c.

as far as i can tell, bad cooper/BOB is the only solidly high-status bad guy. he kills and attacks people without so much as blinking (in a lot of his scenes he's almost completely still), and everyone is deferential to him. this sets him well apart from even the worst bad guys in other subplots, and imo makes him the most terrifying. (red might also fall into the high-status category, not sure yet though.)

i'm mentioning all this because low-status characters are usually undone by the qualities which make them low-status, but the high-status bad guys are usually the ones who last until the end and are present for the big showdown. we can guess bad cooper/BOB will be in act 3, sure, but we can also assume the other bad guys will fuck up in various ways and not be in control of the final scenes.

Just saw this, still digesting, love reading all your comments yet nothing to add to it. Except that I'm amazed that no-one has mentioned Johnny Jewel's 'Windswept' album, that came out in May this year. 'Slow Dreams' was on tonight's episode, Chromatics were on it already earlier. The album was announced on forehand as an album with 'Twin Peaks' music on it. And listen to it now: 'Slow Dreams', 'Television Snow', 'Saturday - Desire'.. well the whole album oozes Twin Peaks, uncanilly so (it's on spotify). In any case this seems way more significant than fucking moby.

http://media.pitchfork.com/photos/592f565b14bc83430bf25918/master/pass/file

yeah it's a great compilation.

important update: watched last night's episode eating jalapeño creamed corn

Audrey has to make an appearance in next episode right? I mean she has to, regardless of her possible offspring right? The atomic bomb (literally and figuratively) dropped in episode eight was followed by two very (for TP) straight forward 'show and tell' episodes. Time for the next mind fucking reshuffle. For those crazy bugs to re-appear, looming in the shadows of the woodsmen. And for Audrey to finally enter the stage. Right?

xp whoa

the trick to enjoying twin peaks: the return is to never hope for anything

i demand an atomic bomb every two episodes sorry

that's what the janey-e and dougie scene was imo

expectation is a prison, etc

I feel like that was one of the horniest scenes in film history

my bold / incredibly stupid prediction: candie is inhabited by laura palmer, who's had a little more time to spend adapting to the normal world than cooper has

I'm pretty stupid when it comes to this show so I'm on board with this.

I felt well chuffed when Dougie's blood pressure was the same as mine was last checkup and the doctor said it was very good

also I am completely weirded
out by them casting the doctor from Star Trek: Enterprise as the doctor

my bold / incredibly stupid prediction: candie is inhabited by laura palmer, who's had a little more time to spend adapting to the normal world than cooper has

I'm pretty stupid when it comes to this show so I'm on board with this.

― sciatica, Tuesday, July 18, 2017 12:37 AM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Yeah I'm totally down with that.

re: Cole's doodle; Is "'the arm' reaching for the Hornes" a bit too straightforward for lynchian symbolism/

There will be a sneak peek of the next episode at ComicCon this Friday. I would guess that all the cast members on panel earlier that day will feature in that ep (unless they just figured nerd demand for Don Murray is high), but who knows.

This is huge! #TwinPeaks #SDCC2017 pic.twitter.com/WZ7cpOLU7n

— Twin Peaks (@TwinPeaksArchve) July 6, 2017

re: Cole's doodle; Is "'the arm' reaching for the Hornes" a bit too straightforward for lynchian symbolism/

― Eallach mhór an duine leisg (dowd), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 11:18 (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i saw something about it being a buck and the hand stopping the buck here (truman reference). sounds like a massive reach tbh.

candie's affections not a million miles away from those of dougie imo. my bold / incredibly stupid prediction: candie is inhabited by laura palmer, who's had a little more time to spend adapting to the normal world than cooper has

I don't agree with the Laura Palmer aspect of this but I agree that Candie is a Dougie-like entity who has come back from the Lodge.

Take back negative things I said about that character.

I think Candie is just kind of distracted

Thrilled to hear Penderecki

agree with mh - Candie is just distracted. She's very much a spacy character

I might be in the minority but I love Richard Horne. He's unhinged and wild, and believably so. Also, he had got a FACE. It's impossible not to look at him.

The performance and look are great, the character is appealing and a disgusting villain

My wife says that he's perfectly cast in this, but it's hard to imagine him cast him in anything else, and also described him as handsome but alien. OTM on both counts

(Also I hate saying "my wife" but I don't know how else to do it)

https://i.warosu.org/data/vr/img/0024/11/1431993239064.jpg, iirc.

test

^ it's a clue!

Richard's great. Steve sucks though

My podner

Richard really reminds me of a more twisted Robert Pattinson

Agree that the violence felt more pointed and purposeful in this than previous hours*, also that it was way more consistent than this show normally likes to be outside of part 8. I'm not surprised people are split on it given the content but I am surprised at the number of people who are just ambivalent about it or think it's filler. I think the previous ep was way more of a "moving the pieces into place" episode than this one (although I think the expository nature of both is being way overstated)

*btw it makes sense to refer to one of these as "an hour of television" for simplicity's sake and I think so far 1 part actually does clock in at 60 minutes but if the average running time is 55 minutes then we need to stop calling it an "18-hour film", it's an 18-part film that'll end up being about 16.5 hours long

and if they remove all the indiepop it'll be 11.5 hours long

That would be a terrible thing to do, this has exactly the right amount of music in it. Speaking of which, does the vegas setting have the most old-school twin peaks music cues, more than the town itself? The jazzy drums have been used there since the very first establishing shot, we had deer meadow shuffle last week, this week the Mitchum bros had that ominous cue I associate with ben horne

two miriams is probably just a goof but it would be classic chad if he picked out the wrong letter

My wife says that he's perfectly cast in this, but it's hard to imagine him cast him in anything else, and also described him as handsome but alien. OTM on both counts

― Karl Malone, dinsdag 18 juli 2017 3:52 (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Your wife otm. He reminds me of (a young) Christopher Walken, handsome but alien.

Is he Irish?

australian

http://s3.birthmoviesdeath.com/images/made/Twin-Peaks-Covers-2_1200_1599_81_s.jpg

SHerilyn Fenn did a great amount of promo work for someone that wouldn't be in it for three months.

otm, and that whole cover is a massive red herring

a reminder that we've still only had that one shot of James lol

since his motorcycle accent he doesn't act talk any more

the fact that Bobby's gotten a bunch to do in comparison is extremely vindicating

Lynch and Frost are fucking with us and James is going to be in a band playing at the roadhouse

James Marshall will play all roles for the remaining episodes.

I think someone might have mentioned here before how kind of unflattering those EW photos were.

I'm imagining an interviewer asking a smiling Lynch when we can expect to see Audrey, and Lynch's smile kinda falters for a moment and his eyes kinda drift to the middle distance as he thinks, oh shit oh shit oh shit, did I cut all of Sherilynn's scenes?, surely I remembered to leave at least one in, oh shit oh shit, what have I done...

"I think someone might have mentioned here before how kind of unflattering those EW photos were."

they're just realistic. I quite like the fact the both Sheryl Lee and Sherilyn Fenn have not had shitloads of plastic surgery. Madchen Amick obv looks amazing and hot but she's also had a fair amount of work done. Of note sadly is that she's also the only one who has had a steadily rising career since TP.