Quentin Tarantino's Manson murders movie

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(Spirit really pick their enemies...)

flash forward to Yoko hunting down and murdering Mark David Chapman

― nomar, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:58 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am still holding out hope that this happens in real life

btw is there a consensus on the best book to read on the manson murders? i've somehow never read helter skelter -- assume that's a good place to start?

(Spirit really pick their enemies...)

yeah Bobby Beausoleil/Jimmy Page are one degree of (Kenneth Anger) separation, wiser probably to steer clear of these guys

flash forward to Yoko hunting down and murdering Mark David Chapman

― nomar, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:58 PM (forty-four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i am still holding out hope that this happens in real life

― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, July 12, 2017 8:32 PM (thirteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

YES

Get Vincent Gallo and Lana Del Rey and have the resonances be weird.

― Eazy, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 4:23 PM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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J.D.: If you want just the murders, probably Helter Skelter or Ed Sanders' The Family. If you want a wider view of Manson's whole life, the book I mentioned a couple of times earlier, Jeff Guinn's Manson, is excellent. (I read Ed Sanders' Sharon Tate book last year and thought it was just okay.)

Get Vincent Gallo and Lana Del Rey and have the resonances be weird.

― Eazy, Wednesday, July 12, 2017 3:23 PM (seven hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

LDR revealed in the one interview she did for Honeymoon that she actually had been approached to play Sharon Tate in a movie, but iirc she turned it down for being too "On the nose" or something.

I get the feeling a big part of this film will swing on a debate re: the merits of Tate in Don't Make Waves vs. The Valley of The Dolls.

This is a really ill advised project and Quentin Tarantino sucks.

This guy is nothing more than a culture fetishist. This is gross and I hope it bottoms out.

― Hadrian VIII, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 10:33 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Correct

I wish he'd just do another Elmore Leonard movie :/

I think Longworth's podcast series underlined how much of an LA story the Manson Murders are: the habitual criminal with dreams of a rich easy life as a rockstar who tries to break into the music biz, ultimately rejected by the inner circle & then takes his horrific acid-fuelled revenge ... his pathetic motivations are pretty effectively buried under the flash-bang of his rhetoric & the entourage & the legitimately shocking, horrible murders

There's totally a Tarantino movie here.

or imo it could work in the way the Summer of Sam worked. It doesn't have to be ~about~ Manson directly

but i am also a qt apologist & true crime fan so obv my bias is distorting my judgement

otm

Just watched the 1:20 Manson on youtube, I had seen some of the 3-girls-with-guns footage before, but didn't know there was this much of the family in general. And damned if I'm not now watching the ABC 20/20 doc from March of this year (also 1:20). It's actually very watchable, not sensationalized as much as I feared (no John Stossel). Long segment on Sharon Tate, and some more recent interviews with some of the involved parties.

he's a culture garbageman, just a foot fetishist

taking that celebrity grade garbage to the dump where we hang out

omg wait who is going to play Sharon

surm... this could be your chance

Uma Thurman + CGI

lol <3 i can't think of anyone who could pull it off except like Amanda Seyfried

i can't put my finger on which movie villain or sci-fi character tarantino reminds me of here:

http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2017/07/quentin_tarantino_-_getty_-_h_2017.jpg

To cross reference with the threads dominating ILM atm:

http://images.brits.co.uk/images/pc618_thumb_940_528.jpg

http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5383/97/16x9/960.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1303/1180460296_37d174fc7d.jpg

saw a screening of a Manson doc at New Beverly. At Q&A, Tarantino inferred he doesn't believe Manson family killed Sharon Tate

— Adam Bozarth (@adambozarth) July 12, 2017

grammarians take note

oh christ

ok so i may be walking back my enthusiasm in future updates :/

That is very ominous if true. And suddenly makes me think there'll be a spot in the film for JFK Joe Pesci.

um, wow

Michael Madsen as a corrupt LAPD cop, maybe?

Question is going to be is he doing an Inglourious Basterds-style 'and that's how Hitler died' thing or something else.

I've heard of The Second Gunman, "Raoul" in Memphis, and Capricorn One, but Manson family not responsible for Sharon Tate's death a new one.

tbh this makes it sound way more interesting to me

O_o

it was Bill

Samuel L. Jackson did it

He never questioned whether or not the members carried the crime. Here's audio. (Starts around 12:30.) https://t.co/aGjXzLGu9v

— Lindsey Romain (@lindseyromain) July 14, 2017

hmmm...

His question is if Manson conspired to murder everyone except the victims at Cielo Dr. He's wondering if, in that one case, the family members committed the murders then informed Manson after the fact.

That is the dullest interpretation of these well-worn events I can imagine.

Well, he's just asking a question of the documentary director, not offering some fully worked-out interpretation. We don't know whether that's the basis of the movie.

ok so charlie has said stuff to that effect in the past, qt may just be finding out for himself how full of it charlie is

It's a stupid question.

cool doc bro but you are craaaaazy

I liked the Aquarius series on NBC (w/David Duchovny), which covered that scene and LA in general, but it looks like it's been cancelled.

― nickn, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 5:07 PM (three days ago)

this series is pretty good. It looks like they could wrap it up in one more season ... it would be sad if it got cancelled now, they hadn't gotten to the LaBiancas yet.

At least he's not making another Western. I sort of wish he'd make a film that didn't have a period setting. When was his last one set in the present day – Death Proof, if that counts?

Ok, I started watching Aquarius after the mentions in this thread. I remember hearing about the Rob Zombie series not getting picked up over it, but never checked it out. About 4 minutes into the show, a familiar bass line appears...The White Rabbit! Before I take this any further, can I get a confirmation from anyone as to how many times exactly White Rabbit will be played over the duration of the series?

That's funny. Even as a huge Jefferson Airplane fan, I've been saying for a while that all hippie-related movies have to ditch "White Rabbit," "Purple Have," and "For What It's Worth" forever, and start using things like the Mothers' "Trouble Every Day" instead.

The Purple Haves and Have-Nots.

I love White Rabbit. Hearing it in a TV show or movie almost always takes the scene down a couple points for me though.

Brilliant song that's been stripped bare. (Ditto "Somebody to Love.") There are 10 other Airplane songs just waiting there for anyone with a bit of imagination: "Mexico," "Blues from an Airplane," "Saturday Afternoon"...).