ha Alfred, I was just about to reminisce about my life-changing introduction to burrata, which was... 4 years ago?
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
actually I think we did get soppressata on occasion but never called it anything other than "dry salami"
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:09 (six years ago) link
Not to mention my mom thinks all foods w too much flavor are morally suspect, and cured meats like ham contain sodium nitrate and might give u cancer, so we were down to roast beef, sliced turkey, or PB&J for sandwiches p much. Peppercorn salami? As if.
― Conic section rebellion 44 (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link
^^^^^ this rings very true; my take was that there were many different types of salami but they were all called "salami" and it was kind of mindblowing to realize that they all had names I'd never learned
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:10 (six years ago) link
hey I only learned about capicola after working at Miami Subs in the early '90s.
yeah this stuff was on chain deli menus in the early 90s
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:12 (six years ago) link
and we NEVER sold it. One time the manager put in an order for 14 capicola subs to fuck with us.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:15 (six years ago) link
... where you grew up. They were hardly any chain delis where I grew up, let alone any with this stuff on the menu.
AND in the early 90s I was a broke college student who ate a good 99% of his meals on campus, so there was little-to-no opportunity for me to find a deli with this stuff on the menu.
There was a local sandwich place I used to go to in Back Bay that had an Italian sub with bunch of this stuff on it but I never knew what any of it was and, when I looked at the sandwich, it all looked like salami so I categorized it all as "salami" and stopped trying to sub-categorize.
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:16 (six years ago) link
there was a chain deli on my campus and I worked there but yes I did not live everywhere in the US
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:18 (six years ago) link
I mean, the mexican place thing is a red herring for classist shit, too, because there are fancy places in that realm but they're still few and far between
Nobody is going to pass a quiz on the differences between Oaxaca cheese and asadero before they get their tacos
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
So would our terrified friend have been soothed by a simple explanation like "it's salami with tomato on bread"?
― Moodles, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
didn't mean to imply I was addressing yr personal experience anyway, just noting that my introduction to these items corresponded to Alfred's in timing/venue
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link
because there are fancy places in that realm but they're still few and far between
in New York
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:20 (six years ago) link
(which, last time I checked, generally has total garbage Mexican food - so maybe Brooks got what he deserved: a shitty lunch)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
in most places!
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:21 (six years ago) link
lol "most" you wanna poll some states
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:22 (six years ago) link
― Moodles, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:19 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I think Brooks' description of his friend's demeanor was horrible but that is maybe the implication here, that he was too lazy to say this, or he had no idea himself
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
there's great Mexican food in West St Paul now thanks to immigration
― this iphone speaks many languages (DJP), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:23 (six years ago) link
CA, WA, OR, NM, AZ, NV, CO, TX, FL, IL = p big swathe of the country imo (and I'm probably leaving out some states just cuz I've never actually visited + eaten fancy mexican food in them)
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:24 (six years ago) link
there are a few threads where we've gotten into it, but the places able to charge higher rates for authentic mexican cuisine run into the same cost/authenticity/lineage questions that lead us to bringing up Rick Bayless and it's a related but different issue
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
eh I'm not touching the "authenticity" debate aspect
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
Haaaaa
http://www.avclub.com/article/explaining-david-brooks-column-stupid-coworker-who-257938
As I explained to my grateful, greasy compatriot then—and as David Brooks so finely elucidated for us now—it was not their fault that the nation’s deeply entrenched class divisions fostered by systems built on institutionalized racism and economic disparity have left them so feeling marginalized. They just need to pull themselves by their Wonder Bread bags, stop eating gas station nachos, and get hip to David Foster Wallace, because that’s what’s really standing in their way
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 20:42 (six years ago) link
the plot thickens pic.twitter.com/dHEDsPXPIG— KRANG T. NELSON (@KrangTNelson) July 11, 2017
― André Ryu (Neil S), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:22 (six years ago) link
which one of you is krang t nelson
― André Ryu (Neil S), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:23 (six years ago) link
that paragraph is pretty stupid but i'm surprised at the huge reaction to this
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:25 (six years ago) link
not I, although he gets much respect for his antics
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 21:26 (six years ago) link
exactly^^ brooks conflates regional differences w/class distinctions
― busy bee starski (m coleman), Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:37 PM (six hours ago) Bookmark
i think this is right. fwiw is this the menu of the best hoagie shop in the philly area:
http://i.imgur.com/Wc47x3A.png
http://www.thesiciliandeli.com/id10.html
they have a big NRA sticker on their front door and didn't take cards until like a year ago. i think most of the big hoagie shops in philly specify which cold cuts. i still don't know the difference between soprasetta and gobbagool or w/e fwiw
― 龜, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 22:50 (six years ago) link
I can't even begin to explain how much better Mexican food is in the Twin Cities than it was 20 yrs ago.- full disclosure: mediocre college educated (4 yr degree, state school), have read Infinite Jest, did not know those particular sandwich meats
― Universal LULU Nation (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 11 July 2017 22:59 (six years ago) link
now that's how you make a menu
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:03 (six years ago) link
xpost -- I gather all you had then were various Taco Johns.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:06 (six years ago) link
c’mon man, we had Chi-Chis by then
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:07 (six years ago) link
(at first I misread that as Tasty Tacos and was confused since that’s a long-running local chain that you’d have to visit here to know. also, I ate lunch there)
― mh, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:10 (six years ago) link
I miss the Mexican food on lake st so bad sometimes.
― JoeStork, Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:12 (six years ago) link
you can get capicola at frickin jimmy johns
― j., Tuesday, 11 July 2017 23:26 (six years ago) link
https://waypoint.vice.com/en_us/article/wj8gmx/italian-meats-arent-ruining-american-education
― mh, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 00:54 (six years ago) link
account of friend's horror needs more gabbagool
― calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:14 (six years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EHFRYVxhd8
― calstars, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:20 (six years ago) link
― mh, Tuesday, July 11, 2017 6:07 PM (two hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
jejejeje tu mamá tiene chichis
― nice cage (m bison), Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:22 (six years ago) link
indeed
― mh, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:44 (six years ago) link
Gotta love talkin’ about David Brooks online. :-)
― the ghost of markers, Wednesday, 12 July 2017 01:52 (six years ago) link
As always respect 2 dayo 4 repping gloco's finest
― layda be cry (los blue jeans), Thursday, 13 July 2017 11:56 (six years ago) link
Theory: Brooks has begun elevating his "thought pieces" into edgy, meta-level performance art since marrying his intern. Like Andy Kaufman.— D (@hereticalstoic) July 18, 2017
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:41 (six years ago) link
Comparing Brooks to Andy Kaufman is offensive in any context, ironic or not
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:44 (six years ago) link
True. Brooks has made me laugh more than once. Kaufman, never.
― grawlix (unperson), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 21:59 (six years ago) link
good impression of brooks imo
― qualx, Tuesday, 18 July 2017 22:06 (six years ago) link
they've both been mostly dead since 1984
― a brief spurt of enthusiasm (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 18 July 2017 22:09 (six years ago) link
This is not a party that’s going to produce a lot of modern-day versions of Jack Kemp.
God bless David Brooks that he intends this as a criticism.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Friday, 21 July 2017 16:52 (six years ago) link
Nice bit about Brooks-types(like Josh Barro and the Hamburger Problem):
https://thebaffler.com/the-jaundiced-eyeball/more-mush-from-the-taste-police
― Bio-Digital Jezza (kingfish), Saturday, 22 July 2017 00:39 (six years ago) link
It is, at any rate, a cinch that the prescription of first resort for professional prognosticators of our national politics is this peculiar pundit brand of mind-cure. In this backward-spooling cosmology of our public life, the more stubborn and deep-seated challenges of structural reform, painstaking political organizing, and demanding long-term strategizing yield magisterially to the modulations of attitude, taste, and Zeitgeist fealty that the Vox Populi supposedly demands from its pundit class and the allied liberal cognoscenti.
who the fuck thinks this is writing
― El Tomboto, Saturday, 22 July 2017 20:53 (six years ago) link
it certainly is a lot, of, words
― j., Saturday, 22 July 2017 21:18 (six years ago) link
david brooks actually cracked me up on the news hour on friday. he called trump an anti-mentor. everyone he helps becomes worse. his whole trump thing was good actually.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3MXqcoPkMM
― scott seward, Saturday, 22 July 2017 23:57 (six years ago) link