Eraserhead baby is rumored (possibly more than rumored) to be at least partly organic. In case you needed it to be more horrifying than it already was.
― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 June 2017 02:53 (seven years ago) link
Like I'm pretty sure it's built around an actual animal head.
― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 June 2017 02:54 (seven years ago) link
According to Lynch on Lynch, Kubrick write to Lynch right after seeing Eraserhead demanding to keep how he had made it.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Thursday, 29 June 2017 02:57 (seven years ago) link
i heard something about horse fetus once. or sheep fetus.
― akm, Thursday, 29 June 2017 03:00 (seven years ago) link
Relatedly, I just learned recently that the Creep in Creepshow was an actual articulated skeleton. Which is Creep-y.
― Duane Quarterdump (Old Lunch), Thursday, 29 June 2017 03:00 (seven years ago) link
i've always heard it was at least based off of some type of livestock fetus.
― dynamicinterface, Thursday, 29 June 2017 03:02 (seven years ago) link
It's a goat foetus.
― attention vampire (MatthewK), Thursday, 29 June 2017 03:23 (seven years ago) link
i loved the insane mix of that locust frog, which was so incredibly realistic, and the stop motion of the egg cracking.
All through it, the combination of DIY effects (all the superimpositions) and sleek slick digital stuff is great. He's open to trying all kinds of things, but he also really loves those early experimental film tricks, anything that messes with the picture or sound. And all of those tricks are still effective.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:03 (seven years ago) link
Like just shaking the frame and making spooky noises is still really actually creepy if you do it right
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:04 (seven years ago) link
Hm hm hmMeanwhileMeantime
#TwinPeaks pic.twitter.com/xUUvUwMhKW— Twin Peaks π¬ (@ThatsOurWaldo) June 29, 2017
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:26 (seven years ago) link
people have hit on the idea that the experiment (the glass box monster in episode 1) ripped sam's & tracey's heads off looking for the same sort of gold orb that came out of dougie's head in the waiting room
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:28 (seven years ago) link
oh wait, did that gold orb happen in the original? why don't I remember that?
― akm, Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:30 (seven years ago) link
seems most of us forgot about that moment. clues are bloody everywhere!
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 29 June 2017 04:31 (seven years ago) link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitite
For a time it was believed that the desert sand had simply melted from the direct radiant thermal energy of the fireball and was not particularly dangerous. Thus it was marketed as suitable for use in jewelry in 1945.
https://goo.gl/images/YvVDfa
https://goo.gl/images/MiTWvo
https://goo.gl/images/K1JnPU
And this scene from Missing Pieces seems key:
http://www.davidlynch.it/twin-peaks-the-secrets-of-the-room-above-the-convenience-store/
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Thursday, 29 June 2017 08:23 (seven years ago) link
Oh well, those links are the man from another place, Philip Gerard and Dougie all wearing the Ring.
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Thursday, 29 June 2017 08:24 (seven years ago) link
so very much in that piece, but this jumps out immediately:
FIRST WOODSMAN (subtitled) We have descended from pure air.
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 29 June 2017 08:31 (seven years ago) link
The bit later on where it quotes from Newton's translation of Tabula Smaragdina may turn out to be key:
βIt ascends from the earth to the heaven and again it descends to the earth and receives the force of things superior and inferior.β
This is the New Mexico sand at Ground Zero, transmuted to Trinitite and serving as the tabletop in the room above the convenience Store (which the Ring is cut out of).
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Thursday, 29 June 2017 08:48 (seven years ago) link
nice detective work! good job there's two weeks to dig into this episode
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 29 June 2017 08:52 (seven years ago) link
some fascinating detective work but you find "As above so below" in so many many things not even in esoteric traditions is in in plain exoteric Christianity not sure why they picked a 17th century Isaac Newton translated alchemical work but ok
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:04 (seven years ago) link
Demons, angels, alchemy, Native American myths, the Popol Vuh β¦ So many irons in the fire, right?
eh looking through this:
http://subliminalsynchrosphere.blogspot.it/2012/10/twin-peaks-under-sycamore-tree_9.html
not sure i condone this stuff tbh. seems like just connecting symbols willy nilly w no knowledge of the traditions they are taken from. someone "researches" "Native American religion" by looking at wikipedia pages for a few days and if anything shows up they use it. they flip the tree of life upside down and call it the three of death, ridiculous. the Egyptian stuff is interesting but again really stretching things to make a point.
i dont think Lynch plans this stuff out to this degree. he is def aware of these mystical traditions but it seems obvious he is generating his own mythology through this show. but yeah people gonna connect dots til the cows come home.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:13 (seven years ago) link
excuse me if i seems like i am ruining anyone's fun. i spent some time yesterday arguing w someone who told me Mulholland Drive wasn't cryptic and is easy to understand. i think a lot of people think a work either needs to be "understandable" and "make sense" (have some pre-determined course, a predestination) or it is just made up and thus meaningless. it undersells the creative process for the fact of pretending the mythology is real or that the tightness of the narrative makes it more real. i think there is meaning in making things up, in creating a la carte, and this is in fact most of Lynch's creative process, many are entirely missing the point.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:19 (seven years ago) link
Lynch might not but this pick n mix appropriation of esoteric arcana is absolutely how mark frost works
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:30 (seven years ago) link
make sense of it
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:34 (seven years ago) link
The creation of meaning is a two-way street; I'm not that interested in the codebreaking side of this but I don't see how referencing religious texts is that different to drawing connections to avant-garde films lynch almost certainly hasn't seen
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:39 (seven years ago) link
Saw this link in the story Aldo linked: https://subliminalsynchrosphere.blogspot.nl/2017/04/twin-peaks-under-sycamore-tree-redux.html
Holy shit. I wonder if that guy is even glad it's back, because that will eat up another couple of years to fill his blog with
xxxp with Adam :)
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 29 June 2017 11:42 (seven years ago) link
yeah people seem to forget that Mark Frost is a big part of this and esoteric historical, mystical/religious texts are things the dude is obviously fascinated with and probably more relevant than Pixies album covers and Powers of 10 tbh
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:40 (seven years ago) link
i just dont see how an Isaac Newton alchemy text is any more relevant than the Bible, esp considering he directly references classical Biblical imagery w Laura and the angel in FWWM. seems like an attempt to find something obsure and elevate it.
Pixies was circa the same era, someone upthread pointed out a 4AD guy worked w Lynch. very relevant.
Powers Of Ten? you don't think that's relevant at all to the slow zoom of atomic blast? like Lynch never saw that but he painstakingly went through a 17th century alchemy pamphlet
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:48 (seven years ago) link
Again, Mark Frost. And gold and alchemy seem way relevant! Also the atomic blast was way more Kubrick/2001 and Tree of Life than Powers of Ten.
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:51 (seven years ago) link
it doesn't particularly matter what lynch saw, fwiw I think there's a good chance he didn't do either of those things (although again, if the alchemy text is an influence it'll be from frost, you know the dude who wrote this)
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:52 (seven years ago) link
Xp!
Side note: I read that Lynch was an admirer of Malick but that Tree of Life wasn't his "cup of tea". Hard to not see it in that sequence though.
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 12:55 (seven years ago) link
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:30 (seven years ago) link
gordon even mentions the black hills while standing in front of the white sands bomb photo in his office
― Autumn Almanac, Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:32 (seven years ago) link
what if Lynch unfortunately really loved The Fountain
― mh, Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:33 (seven years ago) link
It's a mutual admiration. Malick's KNIGHT OF CUPS contains the audio of Major Briggs' description of his dream to Bobby, playing over shots of L.A.
― Chris L, Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:33 (seven years ago) link
oh shit, yeah, that kinda did my head in when that popped up
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:36 (seven years ago) link
That was so random lol
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:37 (seven years ago) link
I like The Fountain :/
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:41 (seven years ago) link
maybe it was Fantasia
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 13:47 (seven years ago) link
Not that it wasn't necessarily chosen because he admires the monologue, but the bit in Knight of Cups is a Biosphere track, no?
― Melissa W, Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:20 (seven years ago) link
Ohhh that makes so much more sense!
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:22 (seven years ago) link
I think there's a big difference between Lynch's probable ancient esoterica and to avant garde film (since he occasionally is an avant garde film director)! I'd be shocked if he hasn't seen every movie mentioned upthread. Begotten is the most obscure one, it seems to me, but even that was the subject of a lot of discussion among Movie People in the 90s, iirc.
― Dan I., Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:23 (seven years ago) link
probable exposure that is
it's gotta be a little hard being Mark Frost
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:29 (seven years ago) link
Lynch is avowedly not a cinephile, he has his pantheon of classics that he goes back to but he isn't really up on world cinema or experimental/underground films, although there's a chance he would have been exposed to some of it at the afi
― blog haus aka the scene raver (wins), Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:34 (seven years ago) link
I agree that it's not really productive to dissect this show into atoms, but the impulse comes from earnest and unobjectionable enthusiasm!
― Dan I., Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:40 (seven years ago) link
yeah, Lynch is not absorbing avant-garde cinema on the regular if his interviews are to be believed. guy claims to have never seen a Maya Deren film and i always assumed she was a major influence.
― circa1916, Thursday, 29 June 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link
someone said that previously but I find it hard to believe. A friends claims that he had talked about Deren but someone here said he said he'd never seen Deren. I can't find proof of either on the internet but I'd say that it was virtually impossible that he hadn't seen Meshes, which three of his films play quite explicit homage to. If anyone has a link where he talks about not having seen it then I'd be interested and amazed to see it.
It also seems that Tscherassky's Outer Space, Brakhage and Trumball's tToL & 2001 work are undeniably being referenced here. I do realise you have to take some of Lynch's prononcements with a pinch of salt but there are famous films that anyone of a certain age with an interest in abstaction will have seen, especially if that person is an animator.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
(fwiw im not claiming that he hasn't seen 2001)
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link
He went to film school
He has probably seen some movies
― Karl Malone, Thursday, 29 June 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link