The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

so what does everyone think the black and white steampunk Pixies album cover room w the giant and lady and experimental device is? i saw some people say it was "the other lodge" and there are two lodges, i guess this would be the white lodge? as if something this strange is ultimately that simple and binary. not sure i agree w that i feel like he is taking a more abstracted and decentralized approach to the mythology. the deaths have have been quit out of the blue and unrelated. Laura Palmer is the nuclear at the heart of this atomic explosion but imo the glass box and the kid getting hit by the car and other things are all random deaths swirling around this atomic center.

i think Lynch feels maybe people idolized Laura's death a little too much and he was aware of maybe the creepiness of him putting this image of a murdered and sexualized young girl in the public consciousness. with the new season things are more chaotic. people kill each other left and right. murder has been given back its senselessness. the kid getting killed by the car, this was tragic primarily through its senselessness. this is why there is all this chaotic, seemingly meaningless death. the audience is trying to "piece together the puzzle" and "make sense of it". there is no making sense of death. but we try. this is what this show is about, partially.

i think he chose an overly telegraphed and stylized performance for that scene to highlight this. apart from Harry Dean Stanton (watching over the glowing yellow Tree of Life appearing over the deceased much like the Giant in EP 8 watches the atomic test) these weren't the seasoned Twin Peaks actors we know, they were kind of amateur, to emphasize their vulnerability, and they were trapped in a tragic cliche parental scare video, watching an anonymous kid run out and get killed by a car. the same thing with the 50s murders. we have seen the Woodsman (fwiw Tremaine says "Got a light?" in the original series) with his face flying off sitting in a jail cell in the first episode but all these 50s characters are completely new. he presents an entirely new world. starting with an atomic explosion. this is prime cult stuff, the kind of organized symbolic magic practiced by Harry Smith and Kenneth Anger, it is an act of creation using archetypal symbols. it is about mimicking God's Creation, the beginning of a new world with the Word. the atomic test goes off and David Lynch literally creates an entire new world. i love the montage here w the new diner and stuff, going around town. BOOM. the Big Bang. Creation of a new world.

i hope we get to explore this new world of the 50s Twin Peaks. this scene was shot beautifully. there is a shot of the two kids walking down the road and they start of in light and then walk into shadow for a bit and then back into the light, with this light glow around their outlines the whole time. it was angelic and magical. this would not look as good in color. it really still felt like Twin Peaks, only the imagery was all shifted. it was an amazing alternate universe. im very glad we didn't learn anybody's name in the 50s. right now it is a total mystery. David Lynch is doing the impossible, introducing all of these new mysteries. this slow drip of continuous new mystery is intoxicating. <3 this show forever.

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so what does everyone think the black and white steampunk Pixies album cover room w the giant and lady and experimental device is?

imo it's a radiator

j/k i'm sympathetic to the idea that it's the white lodge while also thinking that it's not that simple/the binaries in twin peaks are generally way more collapsed than that (my primary example of this is the character of leland)

i def think it's a white lodge situation and def think that lynch is not self aware when it comes to the creepiness factor/worship of brutally murdered women.

lol this episode was crazier than a bottle of chips, but somehow the best episode so far.

i am not overly enamored with this season so far, i suppose I'm in the camp of preferring twin peaks (tv show) and fire walk with me to late lynch, and while i didn't want a total nostalgia fest set exclusively in twin peaks and featuring all the same protagonists, i honestly can't say that the buckhorn stuff or dougie are really doing much for me.

also so many scenes with such stilted and languorous dialogue that has a bit of a brechtian effect, purposefully or otherwise, kind of got "the room" vibes once or twice

Sure! I frame it the other way round obv, that the room is unintentionally (superficially) lynchian

so what does everyone think the black and white steampunk Pixies album cover room w the giant and lady and experimental device is?

which album is this?

Indie Cindy

that lady in the white lodge was indie cindy herself

that lynch music cue from the gramophone was tight

appreciate how this season operates as both a prequel w/ the origins stuff and a new series.

dont know what i mean by Pixies i guess Surfer Rosa but looking back that is a much more barren room this one (the Giant's theater) was more ornate. im not saying there is a connection just they tap into a lot of the same themes.

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first i thought of Bossa Nova because of the 50s UFO sci fi connections mixed w spacey yet busy atomic era art deco design.

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im not saying they are connected in any way other than me just associating these two early 90s gen x experimentalists that tapped into the alt nostalgia. anyways the back cover of Trompe Le Monde is pretty Lynchian note the red curtains and egglike organic creatures.

lynch loves 4ad and vaughan oliver designed the sleeve for one of his records once

Me thinks Melies/Coctaeu/Wiene and that sort of shit is the common influence among these things not Pixies covers lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNKGuF8YeuE

^^^ i was about to mention that!

i was just going through taking screenshots of the episode and just remember yeah they do fly into that little window on that metal thing maybe its a radiator

damn this episode was tight. i really enjoy just soaking in the visuals and sound in this show. some images:

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Strong umbilical cord vibes from that bubble spew too.
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damn that locust was sick. It's so awesome to see Lynch get a fat budget and do some worthy CGI

i loved the insane mix of that locust frog, which was so incredibly realistic, and the stop motion of the egg cracking.

seriously CRINGED

how did he even make that? granted I wonder the same thing about the eraserhead baby to this day.

He bred them in his basement

Eraserhead baby is rumored (possibly more than rumored) to be at least partly organic. In case you needed it to be more horrifying than it already was.

Like I'm pretty sure it's built around an actual animal head.

According to Lynch on Lynch, Kubrick write to Lynch right after seeing Eraserhead demanding to keep how he had made it.

i heard something about horse fetus once. or sheep fetus.

Relatedly, I just learned recently that the Creep in Creepshow was an actual articulated skeleton. Which is Creep-y.

i've always heard it was at least based off of some type of livestock fetus.

It's a goat foetus.

i loved the insane mix of that locust frog, which was so incredibly realistic, and the stop motion of the egg cracking.

All through it, the combination of DIY effects (all the superimpositions) and sleek slick digital stuff is great. He's open to trying all kinds of things, but he also really loves those early experimental film tricks, anything that messes with the picture or sound. And all of those tricks are still effective.

Like just shaking the frame and making spooky noises is still really actually creepy if you do it right

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— Twin Peaks 🚬 (@ThatsOurWaldo) June 29, 2017

people have hit on the idea that the experiment (the glass box monster in episode 1) ripped sam's & tracey's heads off looking for the same sort of gold orb that came out of dougie's head in the waiting room

oh wait, did that gold orb happen in the original? why don't I remember that?

seems most of us forgot about that moment. clues are bloody everywhere!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinitite

For a time it was believed that the desert sand had simply melted from the direct radiant thermal energy of the fireball and was not particularly dangerous. Thus it was marketed as suitable for use in jewelry in 1945.

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And this scene from Missing Pieces seems key:

http://www.davidlynch.it/twin-peaks-the-secrets-of-the-room-above-the-convenience-store/

Oh well, those links are the man from another place, Philip Gerard and Dougie all wearing the Ring.

so very much in that piece, but this jumps out immediately:

FIRST WOODSMAN
(subtitled)
We have descended from pure air.

The bit later on where it quotes from Newton's translation of Tabula Smaragdina may turn out to be key:

“It ascends from the earth to the heaven and again it descends to the earth and receives the force of things superior and inferior.”

This is the New Mexico sand at Ground Zero, transmuted to Trinitite and serving as the tabletop in the room above the convenience Store (which the Ring is cut out of).

nice detective work! good job there's two weeks to dig into this episode

some fascinating detective work but you find "As above so below" in so many many things not even in esoteric traditions is in in plain exoteric Christianity not sure why they picked a 17th century Isaac Newton translated alchemical work but ok

Demons, angels, alchemy, Native American myths, the Popol Vuh … So many irons in the fire, right?

eh looking through this:

http://subliminalsynchrosphere.blogspot.it/2012/10/twin-peaks-under-sycamore-tree_9.html

not sure i condone this stuff tbh. seems like just connecting symbols willy nilly w no knowledge of the traditions they are taken from. someone "researches" "Native American religion" by looking at wikipedia pages for a few days and if anything shows up they use it. they flip the tree of life upside down and call it the three of death, ridiculous. the Egyptian stuff is interesting but again really stretching things to make a point.

i dont think Lynch plans this stuff out to this degree. he is def aware of these mystical traditions but it seems obvious he is generating his own mythology through this show. but yeah people gonna connect dots til the cows come home.

excuse me if i seems like i am ruining anyone's fun. i spent some time yesterday arguing w someone who told me Mulholland Drive wasn't cryptic and is easy to understand. i think a lot of people think a work either needs to be "understandable" and "make sense" (have some pre-determined course, a predestination) or it is just made up and thus meaningless. it undersells the creative process for the fact of pretending the mythology is real or that the tightness of the narrative makes it more real. i think there is meaning in making things up, in creating a la carte, and this is in fact most of Lynch's creative process, many are entirely missing the point.

Lynch might not but this pick n mix appropriation of esoteric arcana is absolutely how mark frost works