Fire at Grenfell Tower in London

Javid was going in on the number of blocks in Camden missing fire doors, leading rw twitter to rage at high rise dwellers stealing and selling doors for scrap and alleging that camden is corbyn's favourite council (doesn't really work but is attempt to turn story into stick to beat labour).

Javid btw was on the list of landlord MPs who voted against tougher safety measures on landlords. Of course.

Police have said they don't expect to have a firm death toll *this year*.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/40434741

The actual fuck

What will change next year

Tory/DUP government on more strong and stable footing.

Why the fuck is it so hard?

Why the fuck is it so hard?

Because there could be lots of people who weren't officially living there and there is nothing left of them.

Probably true but I've noticed this before in the UK, these things move at a snail's pace, it took them 6 months to recover four bodies from that power station that collapsed last year.

Yeah but... Aren't they missed by someone? I'd reckon the completely unaccounted for are far outnumbered by those who people know of are missed because of this. xp

I guess people know who some of the missing people are but given the unofficial nature of their occupancy they're reluctant to come forward, even though the Met have stated there's an amnesty on those who were sub-letting.

There's a lot of leeway between firm death toll and expected approximate final figure, which they are avoiding for all they're worth since last week

"What will change next year"

"Compassion fatigue" was a hideous expression I read somewhere earlier. Nick Robinson likes to keep the "debate" going every day on the radio and tv, that of course this tragedy is not the government's fault you fules. Maybe through blunt repetition within a year everyone will be over this unfortunate episode, and sprinklers wouldn't have made any difference etc...

Have they even recovered all the bodies from the tower yet? Huge parts of the building must be extremely dangerous and unstable.

Given the news today about Hillsborough you'd think they'd realise that this isn't going to fade away. Angry, grieving families aren't the kind to lie down and swallow the official line.

Given the immigration politics festering in this country at the moment I'd guess that some friends or family of the deceased are afraid to even talk to anyone official.

Apologies if already posted but this is one of the better analyses of Grenfell and the actual housing issues at stake I've read, maybe the best. Comments shockingly good as well.

https://nearlylegal.co.uk/aftereffects/

Have they even recovered all the bodies from the tower yet? Huge parts of the building must be extremely dangerous and unstable.

A construction company is helping the authorities stabilise the structure.

At the cih housing conference today the invited housing minister was too busy to attend. First time a housing minister hasn't addressed the conference in 22 years. Government sent minister for communities and local government in his place. 10 minutes speech about how many thousands of homes are going to be built and how lots of cladding panels are failing lol independent fire tests.

Going to a specially convened discussion on grenfell this afternoon.

The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (RBKC) has angered residents by excluding press and the public from its first cabinet meeting since the Grenfell Tower fire.

The council said tonight's cabinet meeting, due to start at 6.30pm, would be private due to "security and public safety concerns".

If they want a full blown riot, they just need to keep dehumanising the Grenfell tenants and acting like guilty, shady fuckers. I'm sure they will get one.

Meant to add earlier: the chair told the local government minister that there was time for questions but he muttered that he had to go and was off stage like nobody's business.

This judge fella seems like a terrible old Tory bastard, unsurprisingly.

The meeting broke up as the press were ordered to be allowed in by the judge.

Just insane the council (never mind May and the Government) haven't fallen over this.

Full statement from Nicholas Paget-Brown. Doesnt include resignation. pic.twitter.com/RBcwGAagSN

— #JusticeForGrenfell (@just4grenfell) June 29, 2017

This judge fella seems like a terrible old Tory bastard, unsurprisingly.

(no argument the single decision highlighted by the press was a bad one though, and i accept accusations of terrible old tory bastard-dom aren't helped by him looking like john major's lanky stunt double)

He sounds like an absolute cunt who is a violent struggle session short of knowing what a "decent human being" is. But at least he has admitted that it is going to be one of them type of inquiries that will only please the guilty parties and not the victims.

Yes, that was almost funny; "don't get yer hopes up."

2010/11: 106,000 preventative inspections by local authority health & safety inspectors; 2015/16: 3850 preventative inspections. Local authority health & safety preventative inspections down 96%

Looking at tomorrow's @thetimes front page, suddenly the Council's bizarre secrecy around their meeting today makes more sense pic.twitter.com/RbJU6Faxwh

— Felix Renicks (@ffffelix) June 29, 2017

Fielding Mellish? What Woody Allen film is that again?

Lol! Bananas

They will be shitting it about possibly getting arrested by 2046.

I haven't actually watched the Tsherassky as a whole for a while but I did then and holy fucking shit, it's amazing.

Eric H of this parish calls it one of the greatest horror movies ever made fwiw (apologies to Eric if I have that wrong)

Eh wrong thread obviously. Sorry. It's still a horror show.

Yes, appropriate..

Fielding Mellish? What Woody Allen film is that again?

― weird echo of the falsies (Tom D.), Thursday, June 29, 2017 11:27 PM

Could have sworn I read it on ILX but I can't find the link after a very rudimentary search - Rock Fielding-Mellen is the son of Amanda Fielding, Britain's greatest exponent of self-trepanation and who stood for parliament twice on the ticket of making trepanation a cornerstone of the NHS. His father was Joey Mellen, another trepanation exponent.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanda_Feilding
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Mellen

you need a hole in the head like you need a hole in the head: the art and science of self-trepannation

^^^this is the thread

(the opinion of ppl close to the family seems to be that the mum is great and doesn't understand how her son turned out this badly, unless it's perhaps bcz he hasn't trepanned himself)

Ta, knew I'd read it somewhere.

That's NP-B quit now

And RF-M.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jul/03/britain-power-contempt-grenfell-labour-haringey-social-housing?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

However easy it is for pundits to conflate today’s Labour party with Jeremy Corbyn, to do so ignores the daily experience of people under many Labour councils that are his ideological opposite. Such as the zombie Blairites who run Haringey, and who bear as much resemblance to Corbyn’s Labour as Jive Bunny does to death metal.

Great angry piece from Chakrabortty that somebody should post to Mayor Khan, not that he'd gaf.

"The Heygate estate in Southwark: ‘nearly 1,200 social homes bulldozed, just 82 replacements built’. Photograph: London SE1 Community Website"

David Lammy is the MP for all of Haringey, right?

think catherine west (hornsey and wood green) may be MP for some of it

Yes, when I lived there Lynne Featherstone was the local MP and that was Hornsey & Wood Green.

Speaking at the 5th June Bruce Grove Residents Network meeting David Lammy responded to a question about gentrification by saying that he doesn't see evidence of it in Tottenham and admitted that he would happily 'take a bit of it' for the constituency. It was important the area got 'a bit of the cake' of economic growth in order to bring jobs, money and opportunities for people. Adding that regeneration must mean jobs locally.

yeah Lammy, turfing people out of their homes creates loads of new "opportunities" for people, like let's go live in housing association dump 80 miles away from my family ...yay!

Yes that is in fact exactly what he said.

Well of course he didn't say that, they never do say that. Instead they use the usual doublespeak when referring to gentrification schemes. Not that it makes any difference to those who are uprooted and fucked off for these oh so affordable housing schemes.

It's the difference between gentrification meaning a few restaurants and coffee shops popping up and gentrification as deliberate mass displacement.

yeah but as soon as you start saying petite gentrification - not so bad, it feels like the Blairite style legitimising of something that is like a disease.

mind you, when I say the language of gentrification is often cloaked in doublespeak. "Decanting" is a commonly used term on London regen schemes, which is quite blatantly ruthless.