Words, usages, and phrases that annoy the shit out of you...

Can anyone point me to a thread that's the opposite of this? IE. Words, usages and phrases you love

I tried it once phrases you like

& there was another one recently that had a few more takers I think

thanks Wins :-)

commas are fine the world would be better if everyone took a pause when they saw one

e.b.white said you have to pull out a chair and sit down when you see one = the opposite of capitals

i am a "person of color" but holy shit i am really starting to hate this term, it so clumsy and awkward

"of color"

like something about it so dumb yet this is the accepted unoffensive term

Try it with a u?

Still not good imho

I'm used to it by now tho

"Living my best life" can sod off as well.

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my wife's good buddy/co-manager has a roommate who says this a lot and everyone hates it

Just from an editor's point of view, I've never quite got how PoC is different from saying CP.

And yes, I've linked to that Bloom County strip before, it doesn't help my argument.

here is where I remind people that an actual HR department suggested "pe0p1e of ethnicity" instead
and got arsey when questioned about it

googleproofing because I sure as hell googled it

Yeah that just doesn't read significantly worse than the accepted phrase to me, this feels like a déjà vu argument tho

only noticeable diff between PoC and CP is added emphasis on their being people as opposed to their color.

people of ethnicity is universal though. Everybody has an ethnicity or has Kaspar Hauser syndrome i.e. unless one is totally isolated from the people around one you pick up an ethnicity of some kind.
Always strikes me as weird that white bread type people don't recognise their own ethnicity. Maybe it is an idea of norm that 'we' are automatically 'normal' and anybody labeled as having an ethnicity is obvioulsy working away from that norm. When the norm itself denotes an ethnicity in itself, innit?

Everyone has a skin colour too

How dare u

clear privilege

everytime i see POC i just think of the irish rugby player paul o'connell.

everyone does

i prefer using white, black, brown tbh (purple too)

damn - i'm sorry he's had to go through so much.

xpost

I think of poo oyster cult

i feel like "brown people" has become hugely more prominent lately to mean "anyone who isn't of white ethnicity"

Meh. I like brown. I identify as brown, because it's less awkward than having to explain English-speaking Latino. As a term it's imprecise, but there's something empowerment of the imprecision. It feels inclusive, and I like it as an ethnic/racial analogue of "queer."

hanging out in los angeles in the 90s i saw lots of mexicans, central americans and chicanos wear t-shirts with this, actually say this and graffiti this a lot

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/40/b0/36/40b0367fb35a3424b439209522ef50b6--chicano-rap-latino-art.jpg

at that time i knew a guy who was trying to get into mara salvatrucha and him and his pals were into this

he had a huge tattoo of his surname written in blackletter/gothic script that took up half of his back

i always think it stands for 'piece of chit'.

Sneaked instead of snuck.

man, after all the times i've seen some well-meaning person referring to somebody from england or whatever as "african-american", i'll take about anything else without complaint.

"Our entire office is filled with rock star co-workers you will surely call friends of yours after a few weeks".

Uh, NOPE - kinda doubt working in a corporate office is anything like working with rock stars

feel like both of those things are different kinds of suck

"rock star" is now established corporate lingo indicating nothing in particular

Had a polite discussion with a female editor co-worker of mine over the phrase "girl boss".

As in "Check Out These 7 'Girl Bosses' Leading the Pack" for a profile compendium of women executives in our metro.

She was in favor, I was against, but the last thing I want to be accused of is mansplaining the phrase "girl boss" to a female compatriot of mine.

^different generations seem to think differently about stuff like that

You would know, I guess.

I've seen more than a few generations so far. My grandparents were all born in the 19th century. Seen at least on generation coming up after me born in the 21st century. So, yeah, I've got anecdotal ground to stand on.

Gransplaining

Re: PoC

I just use non-white. It's the clearest you can get. Some non-white people from countries where they are the majority hate the term PoC and think it should only be used in places where they are minorities.

Really hating "big bad" for main villain.

"Non-white" is problematic because it centres whiteness, though.

Isn't PoC still doing that but a bit less blatant?

yes, it's implicit ('people without colour' has a nice, 'man without qualities' sort of ring to it). I lean towards 'ethnic minorities' when applicable, but it's not possible to have neatly unproblematic terms about an inherently problematic concept imo.

^ this is so crucial to understand

Ogmor OTM.

My answer is basically not to state that some terminology or other is somehow objectively best, but to keep my ears open and listen to what non-white/PoC/BAME voices ask to be identified as. Yes, that will change over time, and yes, groups and individuals may have conflicting desires, but it's actually not that hard to listen and change your vocabulary as necessary.

I agree with emil.y

Also like to add that I think it's more important to be kind, respectful and understanding of others than to know a correct lexicon of terms < strikes me as a problem with current PC culture

Sure, as long as you are receptive enough to others' feelings to update your lexicon - you can only plead ignorance once

I really wish PoC wasn't the term most in vogue as it sounds awkward and silly to me, and I tend to use "non-white" when I want to refer to all people who aren't white as a single group because I think you might as well centre the (bad) construct of whiteness in that case, but I'm at the point that I would only really use threads like this where we get pissy about linguistic minutiae to say so

This is a good piece that has a bunch of critiques of some of the current terms, including PoC.

http://vajra.me/2015/04/15/margin/

And yes, I get most of my race and lgbt reading through speculative fiction authors.