Star Wars Anthology shit talk (Rogue One, Young Solo, TBD)

I nominate Neil Breen

http://variety.com/2017/film/news/star-wars-han-solo-kathleen-kennedy-director-fired-1202473919/

Miller and Lord were stunned to find that they were not being granted freedom to run the production in the manner that they were accustomed to. They balked at Kennedy’s tight control on the set.

A person with knowledge of the production said that the chemistry between the directors and Kennedy was never right.

“It was a culture clash from day one,” the source said. “She didn’t even like the way they folded their socks.”

The source said that while Lord and Miller were supposedly hired for their vision and distinctive brand of filmmaking when it came to the “Star Wars” production, Kennedy did not approve of their shooting style and process of interacting with actors and crew. “They weren’t given the leeway to do what they had to do,” the source said.

The duo also clashed with Kasdan, who has been an integral creative part of several “Star Wars” movies, dating back the the 1980 “The Empire Strikes Back.” Like Kennedy, he questioned many of the pair’s directing choices.

“Kathy, her team and Larry Kasdan have been doing it their way for a very long time. They know how the cheese is made and that’s how they want it made,” said the source. “It became a very polarizing set.”

and a bit more

Sources tell The Hollywood Reporter that the style and vision of Lord and Miller clashed with that of Lawrence Kasdan, the legendary screenwriter behind the classics Empire Strikes Back and ‪Raiders of the Lost Ark, who also wrote, with his son, Jon Kasdan, the script for the Han Solo stand-alone set (for now) to be released in 2018.

Lord and Miller (21 Jump Street, The Lego Movie) have a comedic sensibility and improvisational style while Kasdan favors a strict adherence to the written word — what is on the page is what must be shot.

The creative clash, according to one insider, also came down to differences in understanding the character of Han Solo. “People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,” said that source.

The friction was felt almost immediately when the movie began shooting in February, sources say, but the directors always thought it could be worked through. Kennedy, the producer and head of Lucasfilm, decided to back her lifelong colleague, who shaped much of Solo’s character in Empire and ‪Return of the Jedi and who had a specific tone in mind for the new movie. The duo also didn’t feel they had the support of producer Allison Shearmur, who was acting as Lucasfilm’s representative on the London set.

Lord and Miller, who had relocated to London with their families for preproduction and production of the movie, were said to have been blindsided by the firing, which they learned about Monday, according to one source, although another disputed that account.

The production had gone on a short hiatus to review what had been shot and to clear the air.

I've loved Star Wars movies since I was 7 in '77, but this whole circus and the reverence with which this fictional world is treated as if its elements were relics of the True Cross, is hilarious.

“People need to understand that Han Solo is not a comedic personality. He’s sarcastic and selfish,”

This is otm tho.

I would've thought it's possible for a personality to be all three.

I'm having visions of a Dukes Of Hazzard / Baywatch take on things....

lord and miller's movies so far have a pretty specific tone - i don't understand why you'd hire them if that wasn't what you wanted

Part of me feels for them and the other part says "Thank God they fired these bros."

Lord & Miller's involvement was the only thing about this stupid idea that made it seem vaguely interesting tbh

lord and miller? bros? did i miss something?

21 jump street maybe?

22 jump street?

I hope that Kennedy and Kasdan leave in the scene where Han Solo tries his hand at slam poetry.

still IA that this film will "explain how he got his name" as if he is a Superhero and he will have a "real" name that isn't Han Solo which is great bc that is what you want from a movie about Han Solo, an actor who isn't Harrison Ford playing a character that isn't named Han Solo (yet!)

21 jump street goes out of its way to establish that the main characters are good-hearted but clueless doofuses and that the various textbook dorks and jerks they interact with at school are largely good people too - very little of that fits my conception of classic bro cinema but clearly ymmv

meanwhile cloudy with a chance of meatballs remains one of the most effortlessly inventive and genuinely trippy mainstream movies in recent memory

in fact bros are the villains in 21 jump street iirc

Yeah - the whole "21 Jump Street" dude humor vibe - while admittedly funny sometimes in the films - just seemed like the wrong approach for this film (assuming they were gonna go that way. I haven't watched the Lego thing.) To me it's "bro humor" hence "bros".

i think literally the first line of the 21 jump street trailer is "TITTY TWISTER!!!" but i am not watching it again

the message of 21 jump street is literally that bros are bad and that studying maths and drama and being nice to people is good

admittedly someone does get shot in the dick during the climactic scene

it contains multitudes is what i'm saying

Few things more anti-bro than a devastating dickblast, imo

Kasdan favors a strict adherence to the written word — what is on the page is what must be shot.

they should get the Coens to finish it

If you really want to know the essence of Lord & Miller, just go watch Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs right now

like, watch it a couple times even

tombot otm

best line in 21JS is "AP CHEMISTRY BITCH" where he pronounces it "app"

to think that star wars has been denied sophisticated, non-bro-like humor of this caliber

did really enjoy 'cloudy' though! thought the thing with the dad and the dog-voice-box encoder was genuinely sweet, and revealing of exactly the problematics of bromasculinity.

So disappointed that the likelihood of seeing Han Solo whaling on his pecs and giving nerds atomic wedgies has precipitously fallen. Will continue to follow the beer-drenched career of Lord & Miller (or the Frat Brothers, as I call them).

still IA that this film will "explain how he got his name"

they already confirmed (or at least strongly walked back) the idea that Han Solo is an alias -- what they meant was "made his name" as in, why people all over have heard of Han Solo

which is what I assumed when I read the original statement, but people are really literal and look at everything a LucasFilm employee says as literal truth

Let me guess, he made his name by doing the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs, which it turns out is actually a tall tale.

Also people are dumb also the 'make a name' phrase isn't really in use anymore?

that'd wrap the movie up all tidy

making a name for yourself is one of the main tropes for stories about criminals and businessmen!

a smuggler is uh.. well, you get the picture

Han revealed to be short for Hanglebert.

Hanglebert Solodnik

Also people are dumb also the 'make a name' phrase isn't really in use anymore?

the way this film has been covered is confusing, notwithstanding your brilliant hypothesis that "also people are dumb"

Star Wars: What is Han Solo's Real Name
http://time.com/4712810/han-solo-name-reactions/

Star Wars spin-off will reveal how Han Solo got his name
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/mar/24/star-wars-han-solo-name-carrie-fisher

Han Solo movie will explain how the character got his name
https://www.polygon.com/2017/3/23/15040696/han-solo-movie-name-disney-star-wars

https://www.google.com/search?q=kathleen+kennedy+";han+solo"+confusion&oq=kathleen+kennedy+"han+solo"+confusion

well, that sure didn't link properly

In an interview with MTV, Kennedy attributes Iger’s remark to a misunderstanding. She says:

“I’m not sure that that’s entirely what Bob meant. There’s more to Han Solo’s name, but it’s not that it’s not his name. It’s obviously his name. It will always be his name (laughs).”

That clarifies things.

"how Han Solo made a name for himself" != "how Han Solo got his name"

if you mean the former but say the latter, you are pretty much guaranteed to confuse people

for sure

it was a vague statement by the ceo of disney that launched a zillion speculative blog posts

you'd think at least a few of them would have contacted the PR department to ask what it was about? maybe someone did, but rushing some very viral content is a little easier

Hanglebert Solodnik

take it to the Anagrams for Kenny Loggins thread, already

George once trolled some writers by telling them Han's full name was Hannibal Solinski.

— Pablo Hidalgo (@pablohidalgo) January 9, 2017

this is canon now

as sung by duran duran

That quote from Kennedy just sounds like she's trying to assure people that they can still safely call him Han Solo. Like the name isn't being taken away from them. I don't think she's confirming that Han Solo was definitely his name at birth.

Found this old convo about Star Wars and I daresay it's the finest critical work of the 21st century pic.twitter.com/b1AiyDWjQM

— Dok (@DrPuppykicker) June 15, 2017

ran across this when I was trying to find that tweet and now I want a prequel movie about teen Luke being a fucking weirdo. I think the implication was he was doofy one of his posse in the deleted scenes from the first film