a quick poll about Russia and Donald Trump

if I were an American interested in the long-term destruction of the republican party I'd be rooting for Trump to stay in office as long as possible tbh, I'm in disbelief at how much energy is spent breathlessly following every Russia development on the main Trump thread

I'm in disbelief at how much energy is spent breathlessly following every Russia development on the main Trump thread

Because of Mueller's independent investigation, this Russian imbroglio holds out the best chance of miring down the entire machinery of the US government and ending the Trump administration amid dire scandal and impeachment. When you compare this (admittedly minor) possibility to our chilliest fears connected to the complete Republican domination of our government, it seems worth holding one's hands close to this small flame of hope for a total Republican disaster.

I dunno, I have a really hard time imagining that even in the best case scenario, Pence, the Principled Conservative, doesn't step up to re-assert the status quo, with plenty of media help

Also Trump is an unstable, delusional sort of guy and having him in office presents a unique threat, beyond the threat posed by the disastrous, sadistic Republican agenda.

i'm in disbelief too. who cares if another country upended the 2016 american election? i'm sure it's a one time thing. i'm glad the party in control of the white house and congress (that benefited from the unprecedented interference) is taking what happened seriously, making sure it'll never happen again. can't wait to vote next year!

by all means, adopt paper balloting (PS we do it in Canada and it works!) and circumvent outside meddling, but that won't fix the rot at the heart of yr democracy (PS ours sucks too)

Pence wouldn'f become President if Trump is ousted due to Russiagate. He has been caught lying about what he knew about Flynn -- he is also part of the scandal and would likely resign. If Trump gets ousted early we are going to see a President Paul Ryan, a terrifying prospect, but hopefully bu the time he takes charge the Republican Party will be in tatters due to the fallout from the scandals.

Paper balloting is a good idea.

Ryan is the scariest of the three imo

but again, these goblins aren't the real/main problem. y'all need a genuine left party and if experience tells us anything, the Dems ain't it. (From the Canadian perspective, the NDP haven't been cutting it either, but there's at least some semblance of hope for reform there.)

ugh I'm sorry everyone, no one likes a hectoring canadian

how much energy is spent breathlessly following every Russia development

It's also worth noting that Trump, being who he is, reportedly also expends plenty of energy following every Russia development in the media and it is driving him crazy. The more obsessed he is with it, the less other mischief he can get up to.

I got way too grumpy last night - insomnia does that to me every now and then - and I do value ShariVari as a poster, who brings some very interesting information to the board, though other stuff honestly frustrates me and come on, you're in the wrong on this one, SV!!! ヽ(ಠ_ಠ)ノ

Still, it was too much, and I'm sorry.

IT'S ALL JUST A GIANT MISUNDERSTANDING / EXCUSE SORE LOSER LIBERALS ARE TELLING THEMSELVES

Paul Manafort met twice during the presidential campaign with Konstantin Kilimnik, who helped run the Ukraine office for his political consulting operation for 10 years — including a previously undisclosed dinner shortly before his own Russian ties forced him out of the Trump campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-height-of-russia-tensions-trump-campaign-chairman-manafort-met-with-business-associate-from-ukraine/2017/06/18/6ab8485c-4c5d-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html?utm_term=.9737d0f8372c

THE REAL SCANDAL IS BILL CLINTON TALKING TO LORETTA LYNCH ON AN AIRPORT TARMAC

Joy Ann Reid: Trump is drawing into war with Russia in Syria
Also Joy Ann Reid: Trump's problem is he didn't kill enough Russians in Syria pic.twitter.com/R2X3OTH5df

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) June 19, 2017

the moral hazard whereby Trump not killing Russians is evidence hes in Russias pocket is leading exactly where I & others predicted it would

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) June 19, 2017

he is not responsible for his actions. it's the liberals' fault for playing 'where's the birth certificate?' with comrade combover

Clearly letting Russia wage cyber warfare unencumbered would be a much safer thing to do.

Also, fuck that sanctimonious asshole. He and other left-wing assholes were wrong throughout the election about Russian interference, and now they get to play 'told you so' because the thing is - predictably, I would say - backfiring for Russia? Fuck that shit.

and your shit

were wrong throughout the election about Russian interference

tell me exactly how it went down and Putin's role in it, Fred.

Morbs, do you even have any idea what Russia did in Crimea? They exploited internal unrest in a neighboring country - and no matter what you think of the Maidan uprising, which, yes, toppled a democratically elected government, it was an internal matter - to straight up invade and annex part of that country. The US hasn't done shit like that since, when? 1899-1902 in the Phillipines? It's not the US who is to blame for the worsening US-Russian relations, it just isn't.

i didnt say different now did i (tho u might wanna talk to Dominicans about '65, was it?)

who knew there was even one huge neolib jackass in Denmark, tho?

nice subject change too

This is the CrowdStrike analysis of the DNC hack back in June, that is, way before the DNC information was leaked: https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ You can read the technical analysis there, Morbs. Nobody ever presented any convincing reason as to why not believe that analysis, and it turned out to have been spot on from the beginning. Voices on the left just for some stupid reason went 'WE DON'T KNOW! WE DON'T KNOW! LALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU'

I hate it when mom and dad fight

USA didn't annex the Dominican Republic, btw, and troops left the country after one year. If we're including stuff like that - which, yes, the US has done over and over - there are much more recent examples, up to and including Iraq, Libya, etc.

And if you didn't know there were neolib jackasses in Denmark, that just once again shows how ignorant you are about the world...

CrowdStrike was hired by the DNC and retracted much of their report, it seems

I love this emerging line. Trump gave the generals carte blanche to do whatever they want because: Daytime MSNBC. https://t.co/TdgsjHumie

— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) June 19, 2017

CrowdStrike was hired by the DNC and retracted much of their report, it seems

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), 19. juni 2017 22:43 (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol, who told you that, Breitbart?

iirc Crowdstrike partially retracted a botched report into supposed Russian of Ukrainian artillery tech but stands by the DNC report.

*hacking

frederik the good doctor is totally right to be a skeptic about american interventionism. even wikipedia agrees

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

still pretty mind-blowing that putin "allegedly" put donnie the wig up to treason though

Again, though, the US annexed neither Chile, Iran nor Nicaragua, and I'm beginning to be bewildered by the fact that people don't understand the difference... But yeah, those are more examples of American bullshit, and if we wanted to make a complete list, it would be horrifically long. I'm skeptical about interventionism, period. But the leftists who only think American interventionism is bad often strikes me as racist, plain and simple. To awfully many of them, only America and what America does matters.

It's like this ghoulish death cult where people in Pakistan only matter the moment they're killed by a drone.

american junior highs are emotional torture camps, frederik

“Spicer still can’t say whether POTUS believes in climate change. At off camera no audio briefing, Spicer took a question from a Russian reporter but not from CNN. Make no mistake about what we are all witnessing. This is a WH that is stonewalling the news media. Hiding behind no camera/no audio gaggles. There is a suppression of information going on at this WH that would not be tolerated at a city council mtg or press conf with a state gov.”

see if you can understand this, Fredzo: before i belief anything our mass-murdering, historically repugnant IC (or anyone who works for them, eg your lovers at CrowdStrike) has to say about anything, I want to read the primary documents.

Just fast forward to the part where you say it doesn't matter to you even if it's true.

Morbs, the link was to 'primary documents'. Though the term you're thinking of is 'primary sources'. Do you even understand what that means?

which fed bureaucracy do YOU work for, Nerdstrom? Lotsa things matter, like the cost of my cancer medicine.

bye bye

this is insanely fascinating

https://www.buzzfeed.com/heidiblake/from-russia-with-blood-14-suspected-hits-on-british-soil?utm_term=.uiv5dWBWWd#.lj3vRp6ppR

fake news!

I don't know if any of the details are remotely accurate in any of the 14 cases but they have massively fucked up the first major piece - on Matthew Puncher - and it trashes any credibility they might have had. It's one of the craziest things I have ever read.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/janebradley/scientist-who-helped-connect-litvinenkos-murder-to-the?utm_term=.wvZdOKobY#.qgVwlyrO2

This is extraordinary:

BuzzFeed News has now spoken with eight relatives and friends of Puncher who all said they were astonished by the suggestion that he was suicidal – but were never interviewed by police

His co-worker said that he was talking about committing suicide and his GP and wife both testified at the inquest he had tried to kill himself the previous week. At the point he died, he was signed off from work for that reason. The article refers to that, and doesn't challenge it.

Either the FSB nipped in and assassinated him literally days after the suicide attempt or he wasn't suicidal and his wife, doctor and colleagues are all part of the cover-up.

Buzzfeed seems obsessed with the idea that the British establishment is actively rigging inquests and investigations to 'keep the flow of Russian money coming to the UK' is ridiculous. The flow is because the UK is seen as a safe, stable place for wealthy Russian expats to settle. If they were turning a blind eye to them getting iced left, right and centre, it would knock that on the head.

Russian state actors definitely do order hits overseas but they tend to be in Turkey and Ukraine, and tend to be linked to Kadyrov's ongoing efforts to maintain his hold on Chechnya. They are presumably not as good for clicks, though.

*, which is ridiculous *

* so is dismissing all the other cases because there's one you can *

I am dismissing the first one they published and saying that releasing such a poor article up front damages the credibility of anything else that comes out of the series, irrespective of whether there is any truth in the subsequent ones. The source for all the stories is the same - the unnamed US security agents who gave them the dossier and are apparently of the belief puncher was murdered.

why do you suppose donald trump -- a complete asshole -- refuses to criticize, of all people, vladimir putin?

idk i mostly think it's interesting as an outline of the pathologies and activities of the global uber-rich

There are definitely some interesting books waiting to be written about that whole milleu but it's such a libel risk you'll probably have to wait until they're all dead. Which at this rate...

I don't particularly like saying it, but SV otm.

wonder why robert mueller hired elizabeth prelogar, harvard law grad, russian language expert, to join watergate ii

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/lawyer-with-expertise-in-russia-joins-fbi-probe-of-trump-connections/

starting to feel bad for donnie the wig. poor fella just wanted to pay off his debt($$$) :(