a quick poll about Russia and Donald Trump

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Mordy wrote to SV that he got what SV was doing, because he himself was doing kinda the same thing with Israel, and I really respect Mordy for writing that - though I read what he says about Israel with a bit of skepticism, lol - and I'm just getting kinda tired of SV's shtick.

Frederik B, Sunday, 18 June 2017 01:58 (six years ago) link

oh are we judging posters on whether they say things that are surprising now

j., Sunday, 18 June 2017 01:59 (six years ago) link

LOL

Οὖτις, Sunday, 18 June 2017 02:02 (six years ago) link

"I'm sorry, but he hasn't said a surprising thing for, like, a year and a half."

https://i.imgur.com/j114jEX.gif

Le Bateau Ivre, Sunday, 18 June 2017 02:07 (six years ago) link

SV is a well known spoofer, for instance I don't believe for a second that he has ever been to Offaly.

quet inn tarnation (darraghmac), Sunday, 18 June 2017 02:10 (six years ago) link

Shari Vari is a valuable poster with a unique perspective based on knowledge pulled from sources outside of left twitter. You just don't like him, Fred, because he writes like a person and not like an ideolgical automoton in the creepy little game of internet toy soldiers that has now somehow become the world.

Whether one agrees with his posts in this thread or not is irrelevant. You're general point about him is wrong.

Treeship, Sunday, 18 June 2017 02:30 (six years ago) link

anyways, why doesn't the american president give a shit that the russian government interfered with the american election? it's the middle of june. not a peep out of donnie in all his loudmouth tweeting that we got punked. i'm not saying we should go to war or anything but this entire blase pall over the white house regarding the biggest ratfucking in american history is monumentally bizarre

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 18 June 2017 03:35 (six years ago) link

iirc, he appreciates Putin's battle against western fueled corruption and hyper capitalism.

by the light of the burning Citroën, Sunday, 18 June 2017 03:39 (six years ago) link

Trump doesn't want to acknowledge any facts that appear to undermine the legitimacy of his victory. He barely acknowledges that he lost the popular vote and makes excuses for it every time it's brought up. He's a stupid, insecure loser.

Treeship, Sunday, 18 June 2017 03:50 (six years ago) link

if I were an American interested in the long-term destruction of the republican party I'd be rooting for Trump to stay in office as long as possible tbh, I'm in disbelief at how much energy is spent breathlessly following every Russia development on the main Trump thread

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 18 June 2017 03:54 (six years ago) link

I'm in disbelief at how much energy is spent breathlessly following every Russia development on the main Trump thread

Because of Mueller's independent investigation, this Russian imbroglio holds out the best chance of miring down the entire machinery of the US government and ending the Trump administration amid dire scandal and impeachment. When you compare this (admittedly minor) possibility to our chilliest fears connected to the complete Republican domination of our government, it seems worth holding one's hands close to this small flame of hope for a total Republican disaster.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:02 (six years ago) link

I dunno, I have a really hard time imagining that even in the best case scenario, Pence, the Principled Conservative, doesn't step up to re-assert the status quo, with plenty of media help

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:07 (six years ago) link

Also Trump is an unstable, delusional sort of guy and having him in office presents a unique threat, beyond the threat posed by the disastrous, sadistic Republican agenda.

Treeship, Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:08 (six years ago) link

i'm in disbelief too. who cares if another country upended the 2016 american election? i'm sure it's a one time thing. i'm glad the party in control of the white house and congress (that benefited from the unprecedented interference) is taking what happened seriously, making sure it'll never happen again. can't wait to vote next year!

reggie (qualmsley), Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:11 (six years ago) link

by all means, adopt paper balloting (PS we do it in Canada and it works!) and circumvent outside meddling, but that won't fix the rot at the heart of yr democracy (PS ours sucks too)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:13 (six years ago) link

Pence wouldn'f become President if Trump is ousted due to Russiagate. He has been caught lying about what he knew about Flynn -- he is also part of the scandal and would likely resign. If Trump gets ousted early we are going to see a President Paul Ryan, a terrifying prospect, but hopefully bu the time he takes charge the Republican Party will be in tatters due to the fallout from the scandals.

Treeship, Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:13 (six years ago) link

Paper balloting is a good idea.

Treeship, Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:15 (six years ago) link

Ryan is the scariest of the three imo

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:16 (six years ago) link

but again, these goblins aren't the real/main problem. y'all need a genuine left party and if experience tells us anything, the Dems ain't it. (From the Canadian perspective, the NDP haven't been cutting it either, but there's at least some semblance of hope for reform there.)

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:25 (six years ago) link

ugh I'm sorry everyone, no one likes a hectoring canadian

a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Sunday, 18 June 2017 04:35 (six years ago) link

how much energy is spent breathlessly following every Russia development

It's also worth noting that Trump, being who he is, reportedly also expends plenty of energy following every Russia development in the media and it is driving him crazy. The more obsessed he is with it, the less other mischief he can get up to.

A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 18 June 2017 17:49 (six years ago) link

I got way too grumpy last night - insomnia does that to me every now and then - and I do value ShariVari as a poster, who brings some very interesting information to the board, though other stuff honestly frustrates me and come on, you're in the wrong on this one, SV!!! ヽ(ಠ_ಠ)ノ

Still, it was too much, and I'm sorry.

Frederik B, Sunday, 18 June 2017 18:36 (six years ago) link

IT'S ALL JUST A GIANT MISUNDERSTANDING / EXCUSE SORE LOSER LIBERALS ARE TELLING THEMSELVES

Paul Manafort met twice during the presidential campaign with Konstantin Kilimnik, who helped run the Ukraine office for his political consulting operation for 10 years — including a previously undisclosed dinner shortly before his own Russian ties forced him out of the Trump campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-height-of-russia-tensions-trump-campaign-chairman-manafort-met-with-business-associate-from-ukraine/2017/06/18/6ab8485c-4c5d-11e7-a186-60c031eab644_story.html?utm_term=.9737d0f8372c

THE REAL SCANDAL IS BILL CLINTON TALKING TO LORETTA LYNCH ON AN AIRPORT TARMAC

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 19 June 2017 15:36 (six years ago) link

Joy Ann Reid: Trump is drawing into war with Russia in Syria
Also Joy Ann Reid: Trump's problem is he didn't kill enough Russians in Syria pic.twitter.com/R2X3OTH5df

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) June 19, 2017

the moral hazard whereby Trump not killing Russians is evidence hes in Russias pocket is leading exactly where I & others predicted it would

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) June 19, 2017

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 June 2017 19:17 (six years ago) link

he is not responsible for his actions. it's the liberals' fault for playing 'where's the birth certificate?' with comrade combover

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 19 June 2017 19:19 (six years ago) link

Clearly letting Russia wage cyber warfare unencumbered would be a much safer thing to do.

Also, fuck that sanctimonious asshole. He and other left-wing assholes were wrong throughout the election about Russian interference, and now they get to play 'told you so' because the thing is - predictably, I would say - backfiring for Russia? Fuck that shit.

Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 20:08 (six years ago) link

and your shit

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 June 2017 20:20 (six years ago) link

were wrong throughout the election about Russian interference

tell me exactly how it went down and Putin's role in it, Fred.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 June 2017 20:21 (six years ago) link

Morbs, do you even have any idea what Russia did in Crimea? They exploited internal unrest in a neighboring country - and no matter what you think of the Maidan uprising, which, yes, toppled a democratically elected government, it was an internal matter - to straight up invade and annex part of that country. The US hasn't done shit like that since, when? 1899-1902 in the Phillipines? It's not the US who is to blame for the worsening US-Russian relations, it just isn't.

Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 20:23 (six years ago) link

i didnt say different now did i (tho u might wanna talk to Dominicans about '65, was it?)

who knew there was even one huge neolib jackass in Denmark, tho?

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 June 2017 20:26 (six years ago) link

nice subject change too

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 June 2017 20:27 (six years ago) link

This is the CrowdStrike analysis of the DNC hack back in June, that is, way before the DNC information was leaked: https://www.crowdstrike.com/blog/bears-midst-intrusion-democratic-national-committee/ You can read the technical analysis there, Morbs. Nobody ever presented any convincing reason as to why not believe that analysis, and it turned out to have been spot on from the beginning. Voices on the left just for some stupid reason went 'WE DON'T KNOW! WE DON'T KNOW! LALALALALALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU'

Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 20:34 (six years ago) link

I hate it when mom and dad fight

Οὖτις, Monday, 19 June 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link

USA didn't annex the Dominican Republic, btw, and troops left the country after one year. If we're including stuff like that - which, yes, the US has done over and over - there are much more recent examples, up to and including Iraq, Libya, etc.

And if you didn't know there were neolib jackasses in Denmark, that just once again shows how ignorant you are about the world...

Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 20:38 (six years ago) link

CrowdStrike was hired by the DNC and retracted much of their report, it seems

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 19 June 2017 20:43 (six years ago) link

I love this emerging line. Trump gave the generals carte blanche to do whatever they want because: Daytime MSNBC. https://t.co/TdgsjHumie

— Charles Davis (@charliearchy) June 19, 2017

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Monday, 19 June 2017 20:46 (six years ago) link

CrowdStrike was hired by the DNC and retracted much of their report, it seems

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), 19. juni 2017 22:43 (twelve minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Lol, who told you that, Breitbart?

Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 20:57 (six years ago) link

iirc Crowdstrike partially retracted a botched report into supposed Russian of Ukrainian artillery tech but stands by the DNC report.

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 19 June 2017 21:01 (six years ago) link

*hacking

Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 19 June 2017 21:02 (six years ago) link

frederik the good doctor is totally right to be a skeptic about american interventionism. even wikipedia agrees

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_Chilean_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

still pretty mind-blowing that putin "allegedly" put donnie the wig up to treason though

reggie (qualmsley), Monday, 19 June 2017 22:05 (six years ago) link

Again, though, the US annexed neither Chile, Iran nor Nicaragua, and I'm beginning to be bewildered by the fact that people don't understand the difference... But yeah, those are more examples of American bullshit, and if we wanted to make a complete list, it would be horrifically long. I'm skeptical about interventionism, period. But the leftists who only think American interventionism is bad often strikes me as racist, plain and simple. To awfully many of them, only America and what America does matters.

Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 22:25 (six years ago) link

It's like this ghoulish death cult where people in Pakistan only matter the moment they're killed by a drone.

Frederik B, Monday, 19 June 2017 22:26 (six years ago) link

american junior highs are emotional torture camps, frederik

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 00:03 (six years ago) link

“Spicer still can’t say whether POTUS believes in climate change. At off camera no audio briefing, Spicer took a question from a Russian reporter but not from CNN. Make no mistake about what we are all witnessing. This is a WH that is stonewalling the news media. Hiding behind no camera/no audio gaggles. There is a suppression of information going on at this WH that would not be tolerated at a city council mtg or press conf with a state gov.”

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 00:19 (six years ago) link

see if you can understand this, Fredzo: before i belief anything our mass-murdering, historically repugnant IC (or anyone who works for them, eg your lovers at CrowdStrike) has to say about anything, I want to read the primary documents.

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 02:39 (six years ago) link

Just fast forward to the part where you say it doesn't matter to you even if it's true.

Nerdstrom Poindexter, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 04:13 (six years ago) link

Morbs, the link was to 'primary documents'. Though the term you're thinking of is 'primary sources'. Do you even understand what that means?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 20 June 2017 07:33 (six years ago) link

which fed bureaucracy do YOU work for, Nerdstrom? Lotsa things matter, like the cost of my cancer medicine.

bye bye

Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 10:55 (six years ago) link

fake news!

reggie (qualmsley), Tuesday, 20 June 2017 20:25 (six years ago) link


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