Fire at Grenfell Tower in London

theresa may's apparently had a firmware update

The Prime Minister is going to visit the injured from the tower block fire in hospital this morning.

— Chris Mason (@ChrisMasonBBC) June 16, 2017

i hope every single one of them fucking rips her a new one

Okay fair enough. To me it's not self evident but that doesn't mean anything.

it's a literal disaster area, have some patience ffs

in an era where rolling news expects constant updates no matter whether they're true or not let's be glad the media are showing some restraint for once

don't even know if all the upper floors have actually been visited, let alone carefully checked, as the tower is now i believe structurally unsafe :( :( :(

I don't know what you are taking offense to. In my opinion splashing "7 deaths" across your news coverage and no indication that there are likely many times that is misleading when police and other officials are indicating it is higher. There's no need to lecture me on media restraint which is an important issue to me.

In my opinion splashing "7 deaths" across your news coverage and no indication that there are likely many times that is misleading when police and other officials are indicating it is higher

the sun:

The official death toll stands at 17, but a councillor told Sky News that emergency crews "fear more than 100 people could have died" in the inferno.

daily telegraph:

London fire latest: Grenfell Tower anger grows as death toll could soar above 100

daily mail:

More than 70 residents of Grenfell Tower are still unaccounted for as fire and rescue workers prepare to work their way to the top of the burnt-out building to recover the dead.

can i lecture you on actually reading the coverage you're complaining about instead then

You are attacking me for not reading the daily mail, sun and telegraph...

Anyway I'm not interested in a fight, sorry I annoyed you.

take your fucking tedious lawyer routine to another thread, dickhead.

also you haven't made a decent record since ghosts of the great highway

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/met-commander-hopes-death-toll-does-not-hit-triple-figures

this was the guardian story i mentioned from last night: headline isn't a splash, but it does a fair job of triangulating the known and the not-yet-known i think

Uncertain whether the Guardian is acceptable reading for the poster in question or not.

Haha you're wrong anagram, Perils from the Sea is my peak.

Guys there was no offense intended and I don't understand the pile on.

From 2012: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-i-will-kill-off-safety-culture-6285238.html

Guys there was no offense intended and I don't understand the pile on.

- oh noes why aren't the media irresponsibly reporting the potential death toll
- *poster provides reasons why*
- y r u attacking me btw media restraint is very important to me just fyi
- *poster provides examples of media speculation on precisely that topic*
- lol i don't read those rags

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The BBC understands there could be as many as 76 people missing.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/16/sun-journalist-grenfell-tower-victim-hospital?CMP=twt_a-media_b-gdnmedia

jesus fuck

friend of a friend was a trainee reporter with the sun years back - apparently they used to have a costume collection to help reporters pull this kind of shit

Guys it's a tough fuckin thread without being cocks cmon

Only one, er, cock here.

booming piece from david lammy in the graun

The faces of Grenfell Tower victims are the faces of the residents of tower blocks across Britain: working-class, poor and often reliant on the state for their housing and safety. Yet for decades we have been pushing the state out and bringing the private sector in. We privatise profits for shareholders, but it is the insurance policy the state provides that lets them get away with it, always stepping in when the failures of the private sector spill over.

When we privatise hospital cleaning, we get MRSA. When the private sector fails to build affordable housing, the taxpayer foots the bill through soaring housing benefit costs. This week we got firefighters running towards a burning building following serious shortcomings on the part of a landlord.

This goes way beyond party politics and left v right. In 2017 we have to ask serious questions about what we have become when refurbishments were made to the outside of Grenfell Tower last year at great expense, as much to improve the view from the luxury flats that have been built around it as to improve conditions for residents. In one of the country’s richest boroughs there could be no starker encapsulation of the grotesque inequalities that plague our capital city.

https://ichef-1.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/A190/production/_96506314_img_0225.jpg

Sajid Javid saying "we will do whatever necessary" to stop something similar happening again; fuck that guy and fuck the Tories, this is their fault for deregulating the housing market and voting against measures to ensure tenant safety (notably very many of the Tory MPs that voted against the Labour bill was a landlord). The horse has well and truly bolted (indeed been encouraged to bolt), half-hearted measures to close the stable door are no consolation.

MP's (even the PLP landlords) constantly voting down housing regulation bills is something that needs to be stopped, and yet they have bare faced cheek to call people "self-interest groups" as a derogatory.

sorry - shit typing. i'm in a rush.

you're a self-interest group, we're neutral and wise legislators with no outside interests. Condemning people to death in a burning tower block is a mere unfortunate coincidence.

1. Thread on public inquiries versus inquests from someone who has acted in many of both #GrenfellTower

— Adam Wagner (@AdamWagner1) June 16, 2017

as ever, fuck boris johnson

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/96bf9b6d3563f7da8f948e6c09f094cdc78cd307/0_0_499_423/master/499.jpg?w=620&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=3f6cd1ed1c9454ddeafd2d0707cf0bd7

skwawkbox now reporting rumours that the govt has slapped a d-notice on reporting of the known number of victims

i personally don't put much weight on this bcz:
(a) the reporting seems to be being done anyway
(b) it's not info the govt actually has control over
(c) seriously doubt that newspapers wd wear the "national security" argument at this time (they'd push back and run the story anyway and say "came at me legally if you dare" to the govt)
(d) skwawkbox be bein skwawkbox :\

if it *is* true (which as i say i suspect it isn't), kozolek -- to give credit where due -- could in fact be picking at the correct scab

Kensington & Chelsea Council leader just said that the fire was an "appalling tragedy" and "it's not a question of wealth or economy"

I mean come the fuck on.

Haven't seen the finger pointed at 'fire service cuts'. Have seen firemen on social media throwing Tory praise of them back due to blocking pay rises year after year in addition to the evident safety compromises.

video of boris saying "get stuffed" re the problems of fire service cuts has been (correctly) much retweeted and shared

he has gone on facebook to describe this as "appalling politicking" and "an attack on the emergency services"

no-one's pointing the finger at fire service cuts nearly as much as all the other failures in the system boris wilfully ignores in his statement, the disingenuous cunt

blaming labour for political pointscoring while doing exactly the same thing himself

also worth pointing out that the fire service did a sterling job despite working 12-hour shifts instead of the four-hour shifts they might have been able to do if the service hadn't been cut

Inevitably the Express has blamed the EU. The Mail has blamed 'green targets'.

gnnnnnggghhhhh

nice

the mail's shithead jujitsu is just unerring

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but it looks like Reynobond PE was used in the cladding rather than Reynobond FR - where FR stands for fire-resistant. It just kind of amazes me that there even exists a cheaper alternate that is somewhat flammable. "I couldn't stretch to the Audi A6, so I bought the model they make that comes without brakes or airbags." The idea being that you don't use it in buildings taller than the fire service can easily get to. FFS.

https://www.streetlib.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/capitalism.gif

The idea being that you don't use it in buildings taller than the fire service can easily get to. FFS

The example I heard was you use it in shop fronts and places like petrol stations. Because those burning is clearly not a concern

This is obviously historic, but fuck Rees-Mogg anyway. Can't bear this "he's such a retro ledge; look at his insta i luv him" thing that has been springing up around him http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-safety-standards-workers-rights-jacob-rees-mogg-a7459336.html

Can't bear this "he's such a retro ledge; look at his insta i luv him" thing that has been springing up around him

wait is this really a thing? ffs what is wrong with people

may be a niche thing w/i london media, i seriously doubt anywhere beyond that

People like Owen Jones and Mhairi Black have talked with an apparently genuine sense of fondness about JR-M. Either he's exceptionally good at public school social cues and making people feel at home in person, or he has the sort of genial magnanimity and friendliness with political opponents that comes from having being brought up in such a rarified stratum of society that you can afford to, because you genuinely don't understand why other people consider the stakes so high. I'm guessing he isn't very bright and generally behaves like someone's loveably dotty old aunt who everyone loves until they suddenly say something reprehensible.

on hignfy one time victoria coren said she fancied him

Well, nerds are her fetish so...

also there is no transitional demand more vital to the revolution than "cancel hignfy"