brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

FWIW I don't think Yvette Cooper would make a bad Shadow Cabinet minister because she has shown she can work with the leadership in some capacity (eg chairing the refugee taskforce) and hasn't joined in the constant carping you associate with people like Phillips, Dugher, Hunt etc. No guarantee she'll be asked, mind.

There's a salient point to be made about the dangers of ruling via a small closed circle and it's affected virtually every PM in my adult lifetime. But the people you bring in from outside have to show that they're worthy of that trust - maybe some of them will now.

ha! ok thread on what the Tories should do:

If the Tories were smart, they would put Davis in as PM & run a minority govt without a DUP deal—dare the DUP to vote them down & get Corbyn

— Edmund Griffiths (@EdmundGriffiths) June 10, 2017

NV yeah its the biggest problem for a centrist to join a Corbyn shadow cab - can they really, credibly, talk up that manifesto and much else. They will be seen as awful opportunists and the quotes will be thrown back at them. I know Ed called for Corbyn to give way to Owen Smith but he was relatively quiet and I believe him to come from a similar place to Corbyn.

However I'm thinking of a few centrists more to pad out parliament and marginalise further the cunts that can never take Corbyn.

assume davis is hated since he was allegedly responsible for the snap election

xpost

no scottish tories willing to go on sunday politics scotland 🤔

Ruth the Mooth has bigger fish to fry these days.

the sight of english conservatives pleading for ruth davidson on a bosman 😂

how would that go down with their friends in the DUP

lol i just sitting at my kitchen table bursting out laughing with happiness every ten minutes

Its just night and day from last weekend.

Can't wait to see how Portillo's smug perma-smirk is holding up.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/53666000/jpg/_53666246_jex_1086877_de27-1.jpg

(No benefits, no torture)

Xp

Its just night and day from last weekend.

Was properly, deeply glum on Wed night. But now!

LJ sort your man out:

So... this election sorted a lot out didn't it! The tories got the most votes but didn't win & Corbyn is celebrating a labour loss! 😩😂

— Lee Westwood (@WestwoodLee) June 9, 2017

there is still grim shit on the horizon in my life (partner's PIP appeal coming up, switch to universal credit), but fuck it, for once the absolute bastards haven't won!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCCNFYiXcAARxxx.jpg:large

LOL can't believe this:

It is understood that Juncker had advised May to call an early general election as a result of his concerns that the 17-seat majority she had inherited from David Cameron would not be enough during the pinch points of the negotiations, including over the issue of the UK’s divorce bill, estimated to be as much as €100bn.

“During bilaterals, in the margins of summits, Juncker repeatedly told her he thought she should do it,” one EU source said. A second European diplomat added: “People don’t understand. We want a deal more than anyone. We are professionals, we have a mandate to get a deal and we want to be successful in that.”

make john mcternan eat tony blair

— hang marine A (@posadistintl) June 11, 2017

It is understood that Juncker had advised May to call an early general election

Lol playyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyed.

So May was right about the EU trying to meddle in British politics... errrrr.

The list of people Tories blame for their failure just keeps growing.

Difference between us and the Russians is that we're trying to save ye

Holy russia trying to save all of European civilization iirc

Mother Russia

Fucking hell Helen Lewis has a piece in The Guardian, her analysis of the election. Its sickening anyone wants to fuck with anything coming out of her keyboard right now and forever after.

You underestimate the influence Luxembourg plays in British politics at your peril.

I keep thinking of Ziggy from the Wire screaming "Bad advice! You gave me bad advice!" at everyone

Labour’s right and centre must weather the gloating of Corbyn supporters

the poor lambs

It would be churlish for people like me and other Remainers not to give her political backing.

There are Labour MPs who want to work in the national interest and will support her if she does the right thing for the country.

Mainstream Labour MPs, who worry about the impact of the continuing Corbyn revolution on centrist voters, should be prepared to stand by the wounded PM, and likewise she should welcome their approach in the national interest.

Mandy in the Mail with the quality advice

it doesn't make any discernible difference how they (Labour Right) weather the gloating, their days are numbered and they know it.

brb punting £100 on frank field still a lab mp in 3017

what can you say? the guy loves socialism

McDonnell on Peston saying we still need to get out of the SM might be misreading his voters a bit.

Surely it's EEA all the way now, no?

the specifics should be debated and voted on, like every other big decision govt makes. or is that chaotic and crazy

Saving Labour Twitter account has been extremely quiet of late. Virtually all of the MPs they said were under risk under Corbyn ("this poll result would lose us Wes Streeting" etc) now have sizeable bumps in their majorities. Wes Streeting himself can hardly complain when his majority's increased by 10,000.

More generally, this Medium post is very good and broadly approximates my own opinion.

David Cameron only took his party back to power because, albeit only to an extent, he detoxified it. Small ‘l’ liberals — who make the difference at British general elections — will vote for a hard-headed party which has some sort of soft heart. But they won’t vote in anything like the numbers required for a hard-headed party with no heart; least of all one which has led Britain into a period of political chaos unparalleled since the Second World War.

Cameron called the EU referendum to sort out an argument not among the British people, but within his own party. May called a wholly unnecessary snap election to do the same. Both put narrow party and personal advantage ahead of the country; and both, as should become clear within days, will pay the ultimate price.

But the trouble for the Tories is: their reputation for competence is so shredded, the chaos they’ve unleashed so real, that no alternative leader can possibly make the remotest difference.

Voted on by the public? I'd like that but not sure I can take it xp

He has proved he is a great campaigner, but can he bring unity to Labour and win over dissenters?

LOL Helen Lewis, who gives a damn what they do now?

Helen Lewis's favoured line of attack for a while was 'Harriet Harman is a feminist, and people who criticise her for the welfare ban clearly only care about one kind of equality'. I'm not saying every Corbyn supporter for a feminist but virtually every study has shown that women - especially poor women with children - suffer disproportionately under austerity. The argument didn't stand up to even the slightest bit of scrutiny.

I am expecting a bring David Cameron back take any minute now.

wow, from the piece linked by matt dc, hadn't seen this before
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcMW6RmC_w

Trump has, apparently, delayed his state visit.

#thingsCanOnlyGetBetter

Lol has there ever been a man who has been more consistently self-owned than Toby Young pic.twitter.com/BQOVnmJ4KQ

— Ellie Mae O'Hagan (@MissEllieMae) June 11, 2017

more ppl the tories can blame^^^

Peter Mandelson:

I believe if she shows flexibility, most of the country will back her.

It would be churlish for people like me and other Remainers not to give her political backing.

There are Labour MPs who want to work in the national interest and will support her if she does the right thing for the country.

Mainstream Labour MPs, who worry about the impact of the continuing Corbyn revolution on centrist voters, should be prepared to stand by the wounded PM, and likewise she should welcome their approach in the national interest.

Chopped meat over here

impatient for corbyn's first post-election shadow cabinet

can caroline lucas be in it?

:D

I'm amused by the opening sentence.

http://www.politico.eu/article/how-theresa-may-lost-it-uk-election-brexit-jeremy-corbyn-jim-messina-lynton-crosby-uk-sarah-palin-campaign/

Halfway through Britain’s seven-week snap election campaign, some in Theresa May’s team came to the conclusion that they had a problem — the candidate.

But morale remained high, you see.

Relations among the core team remained good.

At one point in the midst of the manifesto shambles, Timothy approached Hill and ruffled her hair in jest from behind, moving to the other side of where she turned her head. The pair laughed. “There is a genuine intimacy there,” an observer said. “They are just really good friends. It’s obvious from the way they behave.”