brexit negging when yr mandate is is trash: or further chronicles of a garbage-fire

"Only to excess, sir"

I think Rudd's seat can be worked around, albeit at a certain cost.

According to Peter Hitchens, Ruth is not conservative at all and a "classic liberal" which of course wouldn't be the real reason she won't be a serious leadership candidate.

Formal coalition is on then sez the Guardian. What ministry/-ies will the DUP want/get? NI obv not possible. Women and Equalities?

i assumed they had data to show boris is really unpopular and that explains why he was kept under lock and key for the entire campaign, apart from one or two instances?

May is irresponsible and arrogant enough to give DUP northern Ireland post I think. DUP might see it as a poison chalice though.

I thought pretty much everyone was kept under lock and key, at the behest of the now-departed?

SNP are mostly wee fannies but it was good when they got this even, er, wee-er fanny sacked
https://stephendaisley.com/2017/05/08/my-survival-plan-for-labour-its-not-to-get-diane-abbott-to-count-the-votes/

I imagine Boris couldn't be trusted to keep his mouth shut and stick to the script. Also they were gungho on picking up working class votes in the North, where Boris is perhaps not so popular as he is in Penge.

the vim is going out all over boris we shall not see it lit again in our lifetime

[a child 500 years in the future] daddy, why do we force the village idiot to eat a book every Absolute Boyday?

— kash (@badinfinitum) June 9, 2017

This is interesting on SNP -> Tory:

SNP supporters blaming some kind of Labour tactical voting for the swing to the Tories need to face up to what's happened in Scotland

— Andrew Dunn (@AnndraADunn) June 10, 2017

Boris was cracking towards the end of the election.

Do you mean "brilliant" or "losing his mind" ?

Is anyone else swallowing this Owen Jones mea culpa stuff? Like idk at 9:59pm on Thursday I was fully prepared to defend Corbyn from big losses at 5am. By 3am I felt happy but also really fucking sick of these people coming up on TV telling me the Labour 'family' had come together. Now I'm seeing the spetacle of Owen and Harris who called for him to go now turning and thinking whether they'll fuck off at the first sign of problems.

I think the only ones who stuck up with him through thick and thin were Dawn Forster and Rachel Shabi. Mae O'Hagan is getting attacked on my TL rn but I don't think she ever called for Corbyn to go.

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Boris seemed half pissed during the election campaign on a few occasions, even his *celebrated* verbosity seemed diminished! His opportunism and abandonment of principles to go with the Brexit wing and completely undisciplined ways have probably done his party career in.

his body language since the day after brexit is just broken, he looks small bloated lumpish and haunted

Sort of feel if OJ has something useful to contribute and he's prepared to show some contrition and self-awareness about how and why he got this wrong then ugh, fine, welcome back, but yeah get to the back of the queue behind the people who stuck to their guns

The people trying to be "I was completely humiliatingly, wrong about Corbyn in every imaginable way, wow. Here's what he needs to do next" can gtf in general

his body language since the day after brexit is just broken, he looks small bloated lumpish and haunted

He's a veritable embodiment of the nation! He must be our next PM!

LOL:

Boris Johnson is getting "tonnes" of MPs calling and texting saying if it all falls apart he is the only choice. He is biting his tongue

— Matt Chorley (@MattChorley) June 10, 2017

"Here's what he needs to do next" can gtf in general"

that be Campbell and Iannucci on QT last night.

i regret to inform you that clicking on matt chorley's face to enlarge it and drink it in is will worth the time and investment

high resolution photos of British right wing columnists who appear to be made entirely of ham

Poeple who were dead set against Corbyn you'd ofc ignore and laugh at. People like OJ are more in the middle but still you wouldn't listen to what they have to say in future. I know people make mistakes. Unfortunately he works full-time to provide analysis and informed commentary and you couldn't take anything OJ says seriously.

indy piece arguing that corbs and mcdonnell (and i guess milne) have made harold wilson in 1974 their model:
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-prime-minister-ted-heath-harold-wilson-labour-party-minority-government-a7783336.html

wilson is underrated as tactiican and strategist (he won four elections) but i have several caveats abt the supposed similarities here (may as heath?) and abt where they're pointing (thatcher comes after heath)

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/theresa-may-election-latest-internet-regulation-downing-street-speech-manifesto-a7783186.html

is there going to be an easy way of undoing the damage she's doing once she's gone?

Was hoping the DUP coalition thing might be famous last words. Hoping that what I heard about meetings early next week might add some nails to taht coffin, but does she need to be staked too?

Heath was a chilly uncomfortable weirdo too.

weird that she seems to have modeled her laugh on his, also

Some amusing snapshots from Kensington constituency today:

*Labour voters ECSTATIC and saying now that it's gone to Labour they'll redouble efforts to keep it that way
*Akala turned up to the farmer's market today and had his ear bent by the youfdem (I congratulated him for his viral post and we chatted for a bit about Patrice Lumumba's family being mates with Corbyn).
Tory voters (farmers who are traders) are extremely demoralised!
A friend of mine who is a jewellery designer (and makes T May's statement necklaces) had nowt to say but she is posh and Greek and I suspect she doesn't have a vote anyway
Thought this thread needed to be called Bad Friday Agreement tbh

saw that joke already too often on twitter, also it's now saturday

Is the double is in the title deliberate?

this is clearly a nightmare on stilts for mummy tho

"the sometimes flashy, often innovative leadership of jeremy thorpe - who sometimes travelled between campaign events by hovercraft"

who is our jeremy thorpe

It's not impossible that Corbyn's team listened to some of Owen Jones's criticisms and reacted positively to them - I'd be surprised if he didn't have a strong connection to some in the camp, younger backroom staff especially. There's been a marked improvement in Corbyn's media performance over the last couple of months and that's not just down to campaign rules forcing TV to give him a fair hearing - he's used the platform much better. The difference between OJ and some of the others is that he was coming from a position of fundamentally wanting Corbyn/the Labour left to succeed - others were willing him to fail.

The Tories had no such figures warning Theresa May's team about their approach, certainly not before the campaign, and look what happened there.

The coverage and narrative will be very different next time - a buoyant opposition leader with his authority hugely enhanced vs a brittle PM whose authority has collapsed within their own party - the complete inverse of last time, except May has a big pile of Brexit shit to deal with. This Chris fuckwit, who I'd never heard of before today, would do well to stfu.

I still think that Boris might struggle to win over his own MPs.

x-post to wins: *makes haughty joke-is-over-yr-head sign*

who is our jeremy thorpe

simon danczuk

unfair, i thought Thorpe was likeable

Answering that question could be libellous.

hey guys try this on for size:

prime minister jacob rees-mogg

Seeing a lot of "the pollsters didn't see this coming", when YouGov in fact predicted almost this exact eventuality, so presumably they spent the whole of yesterday downing tequila shots and doing lines in the office.

Yeah OJ definitely wanted it to succeed but went really off in the end. Never a huge fan but I couldn't help but watch his um, journey.

I didn't see huge improvements in Corbyn's performance - I think the extra polish just came with time in the job. Then again he has never quite been in those General election settings before so not sure there are points of comparison. All of the warmth toward people, the rallies and so on, there as always and that stuff really translated.

whoever it was suggested leaking the manifesto deserves a jar of JC's jam, that was inspired

Owen Jones' first job out of Oxford: John McDonnell's researcher.

lol david allen green just followed me

tonight perhaps a good night to liveblog the second gor film, for his lawerly benefit

That's a great first job for anybody, never mind for Owen Jones. Shame he couldn't keep on the path when needed.

In other news:

"Corbyn’s politics need to be fought and his leadership undermined. I’ll do my best," says @OliverKamm

if we can make someone eat a book, we can win a majority

This is beautiful stuff:

Andrew Lilico‏ @andrew_lilico 3h

2 of biggest consequences of #GE2017 1) In future parties will hv much more explicit youth voter offers. eg house prices being affordable. +
10 replies . 8 retweets 9 likes
Andrew Lilico‏ @andrew_lilico 3h

+2) We now need urgent constitutional reform so our system cld resist a Marxist-Socialist Commons majority for a time to test if public +
12 replies . 12 retweets 8 likes

Andrew Lilico‏ @andrew_lilico

+really want it. 1 option's stronger monarchy & 2nd chamber+more economic & equity principles built into the law. Alternative ideas welcome.

Kamm is one of those people where you read his bio and assume he's a standard Tory hack and then you realise

Has he eaten the book yet?