Democratic (Party) Direction

good thread by Adam J here

assumption the "Bernie slot" will be filled by a vaguely progressive dem & have 1-to-1 enthusiasm/money among demsocs is, i think, a bad one

— Adam H. Johnson (@adamjohnsonNYC) June 9, 2017

What the fuck does "we need a lot less ideology around healthcare" even mean? How do you even get to the point that there is some position to take on governmebt's role or lack of role in healthcare without ideology?

I feel like my snap assessment of him above was 100% correct.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/09/politics/kirsten-gillibrand-fbomb/index.html?sr=fbCNN060917kirsten-gillibrand-fbomb1100PMVODtopLink&linkId=38556943

I think this is the second time she has said "fuck" in public in the last few months. Is this an attempt to seem more candid and even like an "outsider" now that she knows voters like that stuff?

Sorry for the rhetorical questions, it obviously is, and it seems kind of lame.

Yeah, fuck that shit

No but really it does seem to go against her sort of churchy image, and that's what makes it seem lame. In the same way that Cuomo tweeting "I am gay, I am transgender, I am
Muslim" etc didn't seem believable coming from him.

because in that list he didn't include "I am a 1 percenter."

It makes her seem even dorkier. If you watch the video you can tell she is uncomfortable saying it.

if only Hillary had farted while giving a speech last year and asked the crowd AWRIGHT. WHO CUT THE CHEESE?

confirmation for distrusting this new Progressive Warrior KG xp

HRC's "delete yr account" was in same vein

http://www.theonion.com/article/fuck-you-obama-says-in-hilarious-correspondents-di-32245

I think some dem pols see swearing as part of that precious "authenticity" they yearn for. Kamala Harris and Tom Perez do it too so I assume it's on purpose.

Lol yeah KG is out because she said fuck one time

Jesus, y'all sound like Cilizza

"I don't trust Kirsten Gillbrand cause she said fuck and it seemed weird"

there seems to be a non-ironic "bernie 2020" thing happening on twitter

i don't want him to run, but i support the idea of it because the Right People are pretty mad about this

Tbf Dr Morbius doesn't trust any Democratic politicians because he is the best of us, and he knows it

Treeship is concerned because it is literally his job to get worried about Democrats who might run in 2020 as soon as possible

Anderson Cooper Eyeroll 2020

The real reason Dems are cussing in public is VEEP on HBO

I mean the idea that these people, the politicians of my generation, don't cuss like fucking sailors when it private, is fucking beyond stupid. The awkwardness is because revealing part of your private self in public is always awkward. And bearing witness to it is also awkward. But I guarantee this is partly because of VEEP, which all these people watch, and the calculus is: who am I going to lose? People who are uncomfortable with cursing? Dems lost that bloc in 2004 I think.

Better to just let rip with a good F bomb or two than a Dean Scream

I would really prefer Sanders didn't run again tbh

It should be either Bernie or Warren. Anyone else would either be a centrist loser or not have enough name recognition to build enthusiastic support or both.

what about younger candidates who've adapted the times? That's politics.

I mean the idea that these people, the politicians of my generation, don't cuss like fucking sailors when it private, is fucking beyond stupid. The awkwardness is because revealing part of your private self in public is always awkward.

otm

It should be either Bernie or Warren. Anyone else would either be a centrist loser or not have enough name recognition to build enthusiastic support or both.

Yeah, I don't know why the Constitution says anyone over 35 can be president when clearly you should have to be at least 65.

Who is a younger person that is emerging as a good bet?

Chris Murphy ftw

Bernie can still win 2016! Don't give up! Berrrrniieeee....

Warren delivers speeches on the floor of the Senate that go viral. She is a captivating, charismatic politician who has also been on the right side of history vis a vis Wall Street since 2008. Plus she barely seems 60; some people just age differently.

Both Warren and Bernie are figures people can rally around--the latter less so because he is divisive, more within the party than among the politician though. In this era we can't have some candidate who is just solid but doesn't command attention.

Imo. Obviously I am not in charge of this decision.

*among the public

Treeship, "divisive" is a bullshit non-word like "controversial."

It doesn't matter who the nominee is so long as h/she espouses liberal views that h/she isn't craven about saying aloud.

It should be either Bernie or Warren. Anyone else would either be a centrist loser or not have enough name recognition to build enthusiastic support or both.

You were alive in 2007 right?

Anytime someone uses the word "divisive" they should immediately be asked what newspaper they write for.

bernie is not really divisive among dems. he's disliked by very plugged-in hillary stans on twitter

of the major figures currently kicking around Warren is the most palatable and least evil

divisive, controversial, problematic -- awful words

bernie is not really divisive among dems. he's disliked by very plugged-in hillary stans on twitter

― k3vin k., Saturday, June 10, 2017 11:10 AM (nine minutes ago)

Very OTM. I saw someone complain today on twitter that "Dems would probably vote for McCain over Bernie" and was taken aback by how detached or "this website is the world" that view is.

wait i thought the 2020 dem ticket was Oprah Clooney.

I should run

At least Oprah's never declared bankruptcy.

You'll be 35 by then, treesh?

No I guess not. Close.

I would really prefer we nominate a Gen X person if at all possible. Late Boomers, even the exceptional ones, need to stop hogging the spotlight imho.

Also can we talk about something other than Presidential nominees for a few hours? There's other battles that need to be fought as well. Oprah & Clooney can run for Senate seats.

The Amal Clooney twins will be eligible in 2052!

Imagine having twins on the ticket. Can't really figure out how the secret service would feel about it though.

http://www.theonion.com/article/fuck-you-obama-says-in-hilarious-correspondents-di-32245

He's never going to show up at one.