Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

It's not all hardened murderers in there. It's people involved in property or drug crimes who turned to those things -- at least in part -- in response to racial and economic marginalization.

Yes, Treeship, this is an absolutely fucked up part of American White Supremacy. That is why I think it's wrong to reduce it to 'Hillary bad'.

It's also why I would love to see the context for the excerpt, since she makes a point out of noting that they were predominantly African-American, had often been in jail since their teens, and were at times just accomplishes when someone else had shot someone. She is building to a point, but it's been cut to underline how bad Hillary is, rather than present an argument about prison labor.

The racial inequalities in the American judicial system are horribly lopsided and yeah, probably much more so in the South. There's no argument.

But for the love of God, comparing this:

http://i.imgur.com/2D4xFPl.gif

to this:

http://i.imgur.com/ksG9Uem.jpg

is patently ridiculous.

And LOL at this: if you were a prisoner who accidentally saw somebody doing some illegal shit (and working w politicans for decades you probably would) it seems like it you may make some powerful enemies.

If anything, a prisoner is going to make some powerful friends.

Convicted murderer on governor's mansion payroll

http://thegrio.com/2012/01/10/haley-barbour-pardons-4-killers-convicts-were-trustees-at-miss-governor-mansion/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Prince_(nanny)

I haven't read Clinton's book but the dispassion in the passages quoted in that Current Affairs article is monstrous. The prison labor system in this country is a crime against humanity. People should be outraged. Any politician who's aided and abetted or contributed to the growth of that system deserves whatever shit gets thrown at them.

there can be a spectrum, pplains

Morbs OTM - twisting yourself in knots to say today's systematic racism isn't as bad as your great-great-great-grandpa's systematic racism - hey look, it even ends up benefitting some of the poor fuckers trapped within it! - is really, really NAGL.

Just call it what it is: prison labor.

I know it's easier to go HILLARY LIVED ON AN ARKANSAS PLANTATION while the world burns, but you're the one not doing actual slaves - past and present - any justice.

The post upthread about "Iraqi airstrikes as distraction from Monica" Paula Jones and "maybe prisoners would be forced to keep quiet about stuff like that" etc brought things into kind of a "90s talk radio" territory.

Morbs OTM - twisting yourself in knots to say today's systematic racism isn't as bad as your great-great-great-grandpa's systematic racism - hey look, it even ends up benefitting some of the poor fuckers trapped within it! - is really, really NAGL.

― Futuristic Bow Wow (thewufs), Thursday, 8 June 2017 23:52 (yesterday) Permalink

OTFM

are we arguing that the Clintons are horrible people who should've nevertheless beat Donald Trump?

This definitely fits if the prisoners are threatened, beaten, or specifically punished for refusal to participate in the unpaid labor they are asked to perform. However, a prisoner (at least theoretically) has recourse to the court system to challenge this coercion and their lawyer could cite the State Department's definition as part of their case.

There is coercion involved. Prisoners at Angola can be punished with solitary confinement for not complying.

bernie would have freed the slaves

He had plenty of slaves - unpaid laborers assigned menial tasks like making phone calls, etc.

Bernie paid interns iirc?

those aren't slaves, they're the amanda palmer big band

re: interns, snopes is on the case

http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-unpaid-interns/

domestic servitude was part of slavery too, re: those pics, pplains

It's also why I would love to see the context for the excerpt, since she makes a point out of noting that they were predominantly African-American, had often been in jail since their teens, and were at times just accomplishes when someone else had shot someone. She is building to a point, but it's been cut to underline how bad Hillary is, rather than present an argument about prison labor.

― Frederik B, Thursday, June 8, 2017 7:37 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The point she was building toward was that she couldn't understand how intelligent people had committed crimes until she read Emotional Intelligence and brain development blah blah blah

I finished Shattered. It was okay--not as good (not as trashy, if you will) as Game Change.

I should have waited, first of all--too close to the election. A lot of repetition; half of it concerns the two warring factions within her campaign, the old-guard Mandy Grunwald wing vs. the Robbie Mook analytics people. (It's a Miguel Cabrera vs. Mike Trout book.) The overriding theme is interesting, and it's presented plausibly, but it's all hindsight: that you could have seen the outcome from day one, essentially, and that the Sanders challenge (which probably takes up more space than the general) exposed every fault line on which she eventually floundered. The sad and shell-shocked Hillary of the last two or three pages is presented convincingly.

yeah I really enjoyed it, the election night chapters are really compelling. I remember hearing on election day that Hillary and Trump would be watching the results come in literally across the street from each other in Manhattan. Bill lounging on the couch, muttering "I knew it. It's Brexit" and shaking his head. It's still so mind-blowing...

preach brother michael

http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-real-hillary-clinton-conspiracy-is-what-stuck-us-with-president-donald-trump

She’s the most royally screwed-over person in the history of American politics.

oh boo fucking hoo

a self-screwer

She’s the most royally screwed-over person in the history of American politics.

oh boo fucking hoo

― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Friday, July 14, 2017 8:19 AM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assassinated_American_politicians

Does anyone ever use the construction 'the most _____ in the history of ______' in a way that isn't demonstrably false and doesn't make them look like a total dipshit?

Charles Bent
1847
Governor of New Mexico Territory
Taos, New Mexico (in his home)
method of assassination: arrows and scalping

damn

it's a remarkably short list when you consider how many leaders the US has murdered

i dunno, there's plenty of assassinations there. i mean having 4 presidents killed is kind of a lot, britain has only had one assassinated prime minister

Yes, but the British has never murdered any foreign leaders or foreigners in general, right?

I'll never really understand why Swedish politics are so violent, btw. But that's another thread.

the British has never murdered any foreign leaders or foreigners in general, right?

Is this serious? I would have thought that the humanitarian record of the British Empire was fairly well-documented.

fred's attempt at droll humour

all those Indians who died in the Mutiny were suicides iirc

assisted

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/whitehouse/hillary-clinton-calling-new-book-what-happened/2017/07/27/7621141a-72bb-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.23eb4f6b8264

Slight chance of selective explanation.

I don't know how trustworthy Hillary Clinton is in general, but she's the last person I'd trust to write her memoir.

Trump should write it

pic.twitter.com/GzhfB5KlXT

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) July 27, 2017

i guess I Accept Responsibility for My Loss and Here's Who to Blame was too long a title

should just be called And Here's Why

should be called I'm OK in Case You Were Wondering

NY Magazine did that one already (too big to link)

Here's Your Sign

so did she write it or her body double

http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Hillary-Clinton-Body-Double.jpg

She probably had several different books ready to go, depending on the outcome.

Why Jill Stein is a Cunt

If I Did It

Nevertheless

http://huckcdn.lwlies.com/admin/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/kids-larry-clark-20th-anniversary.jpg