immigrant & ethnic food cultures, white ppl & appropriation, foodies

apparently this argument is _still_ going on. willamette week did a roundtable with chefs, most of whom were politely bemused and nonplussed at the reaction.

if there's something that rankles me about all this it's that the blame for this gets placed on portland. as if death threats over stuff like pop-up food carts were a "portland" thing and not an "internet" thing.

Man angered after ordering a mild curry and getting a receipt marked 'white ppl'

too much time on ilx etc etc

http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2017/06/11/532086897/grappling-with-race-class-and-southern-foods-great-debt-of-pleasure

...

https://ny.eater.com/2017/6/30/15841234/david-bouhadana-japanese-accent-sushi-chef

pffffffft

lol

man this has to be the dumbest "issue" within this subject

i'm more worried about getting ripped off by korean/chinese-managed japanese restaurants that yell out japanese phrases and charge an exorbitant fee for mediocre to okayish food because they dress up their restaurants in fancy meiji-era decor and sell you the "authentic" card. then they blatantly talk to each other in korean/chinese because they think people don't know the difference

in front of customers i should add

you deserve to get ripped off tbqf

i never do :-)

they do get surprised when i talk to them in japanese and they can't speak a lick of it

congrats on being a huge asshole?

don't worry chinese character we got all our bases covered

lol

man this has to be the dumbest "issue" within this subject

i'm more worried about getting ripped off by korean/chinese-managed japanese restaurants that yell out japanese phrases and charge an exorbitant fee for mediocre to okayish food because they dress up their restaurants in fancy meiji-era decor and sell you the "authentic" card. then they blatantly talk to each other in korean/chinese because they think people don't know the difference

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Friday, June 30, 2017 10:44 AM (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

if i was at a resto and a white chef started engrishing me i would call him an arsehole and storm out tbqh

for this dude it's like wearing a geisha dress and juggling for the customer

if you laughed i his face he would feel more pleasure because that's how he gets his kicks

if you're trying to deceive someone and sell overpriced cheap-quality food that's another thing

then you and him must be very much alike since you also seem to derive great pleasure from being a giant fucking asshole.

i'd call you the dumbest poster on these boards but there's really no need since you manage to outdo yourself with every post. at this point i'm content to just sit back and let you keep going. want some more rope?

lol okay buddy

龜 will brook no opposition on this subject

aimless you're literally backing up someone who is saying a white dude doing a mickey rooney in his japanese resto is fine, but korean or chinese people running a sushi restaurant and trying to make it seem authentically japanese is awful

which is maybe the worst take I've read on ilx since geir posted

context jim

When I called Bouhadana to talk about it, he confirmed he does this. He characterized these bits of accented English as “little fun jokes,” which he likened to how the Japanese chefs who work for him use an American accent while quoting Drake songs. “Maybe in my mind I think I’m Japanese,” he said.

this is a long standing tradition

there are other comedians who did this

two come to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awiW8UC3CWY

and

http://i.imgur.com/B8jlCl1.jpg

Blackface also a long-standing tradition

obviously in the context of like... japanese language... japanese tv, you hear it all the time, foreigners doing japanese-accented english... japanese itself full of katakanized english phrases and words, so if i was speaking in japanese to a non-english speaker, yeah i might say デリシャス just like i would say アベノミクス instead of abenomics. there's also like, the reverse with manga and shit reproducing the chinese accent in japanese, american accent in japanese, which is not really intended to offend, i guess. um... i don't want to pose as a japanese cultural expert but, like, there's more of a sense of japanese superiority and kinship with the west than in other places in the world. and also political correctness is at like 1955 levels in japan. so.

he probably picked up the habit in japan, where i think he'd have to work very hard to find someone that would be offended.

he's an idiot for not realizing that the japanese people in the united states that get mocked for having an accent and probably i'm guessing the many many asian-american customers and staff in the restaurant are not feeling it and the association for most people of white guy doing japanese accent is fucking mickey rooney.

also “Maybe in my mind I think I’m Japanese,” he said. suck my dick you weeb racist.

the yoshinoya here in hiyoshi is selling the taco rice bowl, formerly only available in okinawa. kinda tempted tbh! (and kinda tempted to write a book on how mexican food has been received around the world as I've probably mentioned here before)

would enjoy a short intro to dishes that resulted from the american occupation of east asia... naporitan, budae jjigae, taco rice, corn dogs?

spam

omeretsu (which my Japanese Country Cookbook says came from omelets).

omurice? its origins are prewar, i think, like a lot of yoshoku

OK, I wasn't thinking of when, just that it's from a Western dish.

If you're anything like me, and secretly enjoy covering your scrambled eggs in ketchup, then you'll love omurice(オムライス). "Omu" is an abbreviation for "omuretsu" (omelette pronounced with a Japanese accent) and "rice" (pronounced raisu) refers to the sweet and savory chicken rice it's filled with.
Read more at: https://norecipes.com/omurice-recipe

there's an interesting ramen history book that traces the rise of wheat-based ramen directly to post-war US occupation wheat subsidies and a deliberate propaganda campaign of its dubious health benefits
http://www.ucpress.edu/book.php?isbn=9780520282353

and also pins the staggering variety and ubiquity of ramen in Japan (and acceptance of outsiders like Ivan Orkin) to its distinctly foreign (Chinese, American) origins, whereas more traditional Japanese cuisine is not considered an acceptable substrate for innovation/variation, though there is apparently still some kind of thread of nationalistic/racist snobbery with regards to its relationship to the Chinese component of its history.

so maybe guilt-free appropriation is not possible even in its biggest successes?

Now that I think of it, didn't soy sauce change from being made entirely from soy to some mixture of soy and wheat? Again, I don't know when this happened.

quick research leads me to understand it’s always had a grain component, or at least for the last couple thousand years

"guilt-free appropriation is not possible”

Eats a taco

Isn't guilty

*Thusly I refute*

china has always grown wheat. dont believe the gluten free propaganda

taco Tuesday is day of atonement

https://www.facebook.com/adongrestaurant/posts/1622449171121595

angry

wait what?

is that about these guys? http://mesohungrytruck.com/

isn't it just a play on "Me So Horny" ...?

yeah, which is something drunk white dudes have idiotically yelled at asian women for years

feel good if you've never witnessed it

btw the name of the company starting this place is apparently "butterface llc"

yeah, which is something drunk white dudes have idiotically yelled at asian women for years

uh, they yell that at non-asian women too

and as noted, it's not exactly original in that other people have already used the name, but they've probably had their own detractors. just kind of irritating that a local business did this, got some mild criticism from a local business and were blown off

Cookie Monster predates Full Metal Jacket guys

pretty sure their source material here is 2 Live Crew but sure

I admit I am giggling inappropriately at this criticism coming from "A Dong Restaurant"

apologies to everyone

that's really the best part, imo

I mean, if it was Miso Hungry then ...

but A Dong Restaurant was the most notable thing -- DJP otm

Now that that is out of my system, "Me So Hungry" is a terrible name.

Miso Hungry is kinda catchy tho

I had a random idea once for a Japanese-Italian fusion restaurant called Miso Mezzo that was only hampered by a) my complete and total inability to cook at the professional level; and B) Japanese and Italian cuisine going together about as well as Crisco and milk.

I like the name, though.