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the best thing about atheism nobody talks about is how when you grow up you have a complete knowledge of all fields of medicine unlike those superstitious rubes

lots of medical interventions could go wrong or are associated with certain adverse effects. take a look at the back of your pill bottle tonight if you don't believe me. these are acceptable if the benefit at least outweighs that risk

But not even all medical associations recommend male circumcision. Even the Canadian Paediatric Society recommends against it as a routine practice.

(neonatal) male circumcision is very safe and is associated with a decreased risk of infectious disease later in life

― k3vin k., Monday, June 5, 2017

This is highly debatable. Outside of the US, at least.

― pomenitul, Monday, June 5, 2017 11:27 AM (four minutes ago)

i live in the US and can't speak firsthand on the safety of procedures in other countries. that is a risk/benefit discussion for those communities to have, not for me to decide

can't we all just get along and agree that circumcision is OK but mohel sucking baby penis afterwards is problematic

I'm not objecting to circumcision when (as in my case) there is an obvious medical need to carry one out - a non-retracting foreskin is more painful than any quick snip! But I'm guessing the vast majority of circumcisions carried out in the US have no medical need.

Male circumcision should be consensual unless there's an overriding medical reason. It's the best way for everyone to get what they want in terms of their own bodies. Some men who were circumcised wish that they hadn't been. Some men who were not circumcised wish that they had been. The second group has something they can do about it.

Not to mention that the former is far more common than the latter.

metzizah b'peh in almost all cases is practiced with a straw but just for the record even among ppl who literally use their mouths there's no sucking on the penis - it's sucking at the wound to draw blood from the cut. nb this might be a distinction without a difference but the former makes it sound pedophiliac and the problem with it is almost certainly medically related and not related to sexual abuse. obv i think it should be legal even tho i would never let it be practiced on my kid.

But not even all medical associations recommend male circumcision. Even the Canadian Paediatric Society recommends against it as a routine practice.

― Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Monday, June 5, 2017 11:32 AM (fifty-seven seconds ago)

i never said it should be mandatory. it is an example of an intervention whose risks and benefits closely approximate one another, so either decision is reasonable

Some men who were circumcised wish that they hadn't been.

just out of curiosity, why

delete the controversial opinion thread

luv too have medical debates with people who don't care to look at the evidence

gonna bow out now, i've been as clear as i can be

sorry mordy was lulzing, obviously i know this is not about a rash (SEE WHAT I DID THERE) of pedophilic mohelim

actually did not know about the straw

that was badly punctuated; should have said "sorry, mordy, I was lulzing"

protecting religious practice in a strong sense is unworkable in a society that wants to maintain the most basic human rights

circumcision causes sexual dysfunction, like erectile dysfunction and/or impotence

no it motherfucking doesn't

I knew a guy who got circumcised because his foreskin was too tight, making sex and erections very painful.

Neonatal circumcision goes wrong often enough that I wonder why you'd risk it.

I've seen all sorts of reasons for why different cultures circumcise but what do most parents talk about these days? Tradition? Masturbation? The look of it?

let's take this to the gay thread, where I and many colleagues will debate y'all

I have no skin in this game

Thread is making my eyes water.

lol

a lot of catholics/orthodox christians cut dicks because they want to make it really hard for their boys to masturbate

but all the cut dudes i know that are old (50+) mostly have limp dick/decreased sexual appetite/function

there is a huge lack of education on how to keep a sanitary uncut dick in the us (canada is getting better at it)

but all the cut dudes i know that are old (50+) mostly have limp dick/decreased sexual appetite/function

did you get irb approval before you collected this information

a lot of catholics/orthodox christians cut dicks because they want to make it really hard for their boys to masturbate

I almost said, "Come again?", but thought better of it.

xp

just a few pints laddie

lol this thread

there is a huge lack of education on how to keep a sanitary uncut dick in the us

I almost said, "How hard can it be?", but thought better of it.

"In heaven, all circumcised men reunite with their foreskins' souls"

a lot of catholics/orthodox christians cut dicks because they want to make it really hard for their boys to masturbate

― i n f i n i t y (∞), Monday, June 5, 2017

What? I come from a country where the majority is Christian Orthodox and I've never, ever heard of this.

A fren u bleed is a fren indeed

also gonna say it since this is the contoroversial opinion thread

fat dudes have lower sexual appetite/function (cut or uncut) and act more feminine

What? I come from a country where the majority is Christian Orthodox and I've never, ever heard of this.

― pomenitul, Monday, June 5, 2017 9:22 AM (forty-four seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

because those same people are too conservative to talk about it so openly so they mask it in "tradition"

also tradition has taken over so they don't really understand why but culturally, masturbation is seen as a negative in christian communities, so if you read some wierd esoteric texts these days, they'll hint at it, but mostly goes people's heads

your stupid googled opinions and gut feelings is why you're the worst poster on this board btw

^ triggered lol

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna need a source on that. If anything, circumcision comes across as a strictly Jewish and therefore condemnable practice in Christian Orthodox countries that have yet to overcome their age-old antisemitism.

notice i said a lot

take a trip to south america and talk to the catholics there

i agree that in a lot of euroeapean christian orthodox communities it does come across as stricly jewish but it's not like that everywhere

"surgically attaching a "ring of clits" to a male member produces higher gains"

k3v don't worry i still luv u man

cuz you're one of god's creatures, so fallible

My parents had me circumcised because in the early '70s it was the trendy thing to do in pediatric health.

i never said it should be mandatory. it is an example of an intervention whose risks and benefits closely approximate one another, so either decision is reasonable

That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying.

If anything is "ilx in 2017" about this thread it's that the response to an endorsement of fgm was mostly a bunch of dudes arguing about their foreskins

take a trip to south america and talk to the catholics there

wtf...

Mr Infinity, are you possibly using 'christian orthodox' to mean something different than 'orthodox christian' and why on earth would you do that...

I agree about the dog pants.

an endorsement of fgm

believing it should be legal != endorsement of the practice. i think it's depraved and immoral.

sorry yeah I realised that was the wrong wording after posting

I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be legal tho lol xp.

in other news: having 4skin is 2 cool

If anything is "ilx in 2017" about this thread it's that the response to an endorsement of fgm was mostly a bunch of dudes arguing about their foreskins

Though "mostly a bunch of dudes arguing about their foreskins" = next board description?

having 4skin is 2 cool

Prince tracks that should have stayed in the vault

take a trip to south america and talk to the catholics there

wtf...

Mr Infinity, are you possibly using 'christian orthodox' to mean something different than 'orthodox christian' and why on earth would you do that...

― Frederik B, Monday, June 5, 2017 9:48 AM (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

uh in the usa, most boys are circumcised, there are quite a few orthodox christians in the usa who are fine with and practice it...sorry if this breaks yours and others' euro-centric vision of the world

randomly googled this which is one greek orthodox church that speaks positively about it: http://www.stgeorgegoc.org/pastors-corner/fr-ricks-sermons/meaning-of-circumcision

i mean i can tell you about my catholic upbringing, some of my family members' rank in their parish, or about my devout mother and her education, but really this does little to convince someone who only believes people practice a religion based on a doctrine written in a book

it's far more than just rules in a book or an encyclopaedia entry

my uncle does a lot of missionary work and spent most of his time in south america btw