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The only measure of art is as demonstration of technique

technique is necessary, but not sufficient. or every boring-arse modern day photorealist painting would be a masterpiece.

ledge, Monday, 29 May 2017 13:20 (nine years ago)

Don't try to refute controversial opinions darragh doesn't seriously hold.

At best he likes the idea of someone holding such an attitude posting to ilx, the critic's message board. (TM)

Treeship, Monday, 29 May 2017 14:56 (nine years ago)

"technique is necessary" is still pretty controversial in this world of my-three-year-old-could-have-done-it art.

ledge, Monday, 29 May 2017 15:01 (nine years ago)

we should institute a 100% estate tax. let's see who the real bootstrappers are.

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 29 May 2017 15:04 (nine years ago)

sourdough isn't all that

nashwan, Monday, 29 May 2017 15:31 (nine years ago)

"technique is necessary" is still pretty controversial in this world of my-three-year-old-could-have-done-it art.

How's "Never Going Back Again" coming along?

Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 29 May 2017 15:52 (nine years ago)

Don't try to refute controversial opinions darragh doesn't seriously hold.

At best he likes the idea of someone holding such an attitude posting to ilx, the critic's message board. (TM)

There's something to be said for it but I was trying to work out how it squared with thinking that Hot Fuss was the pinnacle of musical achievement.

Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Monday, 29 May 2017 15:56 (nine years ago)

How dare you jaymack my opinions!

D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Monday, 29 May 2017 16:07 (nine years ago)

Concerts are only fun when drunk. when I'm sober, there is too much stimuli and I often feel overanxious due to the crowd. Plus I usually am too worried about not having a good time given what I've spent.

I say this as someone who has been to 150+ shows in the last 3 years, I'd wager 80% of them at some level of drunkenness.

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 May 2017 16:09 (nine years ago)

Also lol music isn't art fyi. Obviously.

D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Monday, 29 May 2017 16:35 (nine years ago)

Pop art isn't even art.

D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Monday, 29 May 2017 16:35 (nine years ago)

I just can't believe the things people say.

nashwan, Monday, 29 May 2017 16:36 (nine years ago)

Plop art is art

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Monday, 29 May 2017 17:00 (nine years ago)

i could...take or leave rihanna's overall existence

k3vin k., Monday, 29 May 2017 17:18 (nine years ago)

cold as ice

heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 May 2017 17:21 (nine years ago)

ppl who don't "believe" in climate change shouldnt have access to modern medicine or the internet

constitutional crises they fly at u face (will), Monday, 29 May 2017 17:24 (nine years ago)

Concerts are only fun when drunk

concerts aren't fun ever

Number None, Monday, 29 May 2017 17:58 (nine years ago)

otm

D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Monday, 29 May 2017 18:10 (nine years ago)

i could...take or leave rihanna's overall existence

BATTLESHIP is a fun movie.

El Tomboto, Monday, 29 May 2017 18:11 (nine years ago)

Pop art isn't even art.

Surely you recognize the spacious category called "bad art", which contains forgettable art, trivial art, stupid art and a multitude of similar sub-categories. These, too, are art, my friend.

A is for (Aimless), Monday, 29 May 2017 18:22 (nine years ago)

BATTLESHIP is a fun movie.

most controversial opinion itt imo

heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 29 May 2017 18:27 (nine years ago)

it's ok if newspapers run some articles detailing the lives of the trump family that don't try to eviscerate them in every paragraph

k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 May 2017 01:27 (nine years ago)

Yes, but only if it's an article about Barron.

Treeship, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 02:34 (nine years ago)

Controversial opinions involving obvious straw men don't belong on this thread. BATTLESHIP tho.

El Tomboto, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 03:01 (nine years ago)

i feel like i don't even know u

Charles "Butt" Stanton (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 03:01 (nine years ago)

the overabundance of "pretty good" content available in every genre (Comics, YA, Fantasy, TV) is preventing people from drying up the well and being forced to move on to Kafka and stuff

President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 13:53 (nine years ago)

follow up controversial opinion: this is a good thing

D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 13:54 (nine years ago)

Women are better than men at not killing other tribes

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 13:59 (nine years ago)

you mean less skilled in other tribe killing

President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:01 (nine years ago)

'women are better than men at killing other tribes' is the controversial opinion shurely

heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:05 (nine years ago)

Look where it got them tbf

D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:08 (nine years ago)

women make the men and then send them out to kill the other tribes. #geniusmove

scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:09 (nine years ago)

#genocidehack

President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:11 (nine years ago)

hammering on about trump's tax returns feels and looks pathetic even if it needs to be done

marcos, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:31 (nine years ago)

i don't know if that's controversial

marcos, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:32 (nine years ago)

chimps make wars

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2010/jun/21/chimpanzees-territory-killing-neighbours

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:45 (nine years ago)

agree with that marcos hot take

k3vin k., Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:47 (nine years ago)

Courage and willingness to feel and look pathetic is an admirable quality. #hottake

Frederik B, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:50 (nine years ago)

you should write a book!

scott seward, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:03 (nine years ago)

the overabundance of "pretty good" content available in every genre (Comics, YA, Fantasy, TV) is preventing people from drying up the well and being forced to move on to Kafka and stuff

― President Keyes, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 14:53

If by Kafka you mean powerful, visionary fantasy, surrealism etc, I think about this stuff a lot.

A large portion of this audience are very attached to franchises, large fan communities and big conversations that you don't have to start yourself and probably soapy drama too. Averse to short stories (despite the popularity of quick fixes) and deviation from character driven plots.

It's my fault too, I saw the latest Alien film, but only because it was part of a promise of dinner, I liked it even less than I expected, but like a total asshole, I couldn't resist the online conversation when I should have been supporting something else.

Considering how easy it is to share pictures, it's a little weird that lots of visual artists aren't more famous. But they're definitely better known than they were before internet.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:05 (nine years ago)

Considering how easy it is to share pictures, it's a little weird that lots of visual artists aren't more famous.

The internet is like a new library of images being dumped on everyone's head, every morning. If we don't wake up with billions of images crashing through the bedroom window and jpeg strands in our teeth from the night before, we become agitated but can't clearly explain why

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:09 (nine years ago)

its like they are putting cigarettes in a dragons anus

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:13 (nine years ago)

It's exactly like that

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:15 (nine years ago)

But this time...the cigarettes aren't candy

And this time...there's no ashtray

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:16 (nine years ago)

i see we've reached the point in the day where violet jynx's grip on reality begins to loosen in earnest

heck i've even been an 'oyster pirate' (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:16 (nine years ago)

tbh I'm right there with you violet

*logrolls away*

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:19 (nine years ago)

It's like calling communion into the darkness with the pale faced archer

Violet Jax (Violet Jynx), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:33 (nine years ago)

It's my fault too, I saw the latest Alien film, but only because it was part of a promise of dinner

This reminds me of what Neil Tennant said when asked why he and Chris Lowe don't produce their own records: "It comes down to dinner."

the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:39 (nine years ago)

The internet is like a new library of images being dumped on everyone's head, every morning. If we don't wake up with billions of images crashing through the bedroom window and jpeg strands in our teeth from the night before, we become agitated but can't clearly explain why

― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 16:09

If only more of them were good art though.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:45 (nine years ago)

you should write a book!

― scott seward, 30. maj 2017 17:03 (forty-nine minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I think David Foster Wallace has already written that book a couple of times, unfortunately. From Infinite Jest: 'to be human is probably to be unavoidably sentimental and naïve and goo-prone and generally pathetic'

(that quote is the only thing I put on the 'about me' thing on Facebook. Hey, remember when that was a thing? Wonder if it would work on tinder...)

Frederik B, Tuesday, 30 May 2017 15:57 (nine years ago)


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