The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

Alfred that was my one of viewing partner's big takeaways as well

That's all I have to report.

one episode in.

I love the B&W sequences: same lighting and texture as Eraserhead.

man y'all are really selling the comedy scenes short. i'm still loling at "HELLOO!"

i lost my shit at "There they are, Albert. Faces of stone."

― ciderpress, Monday, May 22, 2017 7:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm, tbh i could watch a whole show of just gordon and albert

some random thoughts:

- Dougie "manufactured" (idk how) by Bob as a way to trap Cooper upon his scheduled release from the Black Lodge? This would also explain who those dudes were that wanted to kill Dougie right after Cooper came back (ie, Bob's thugs/minions). I do love that Mr. Jackpots is basically Senor Droolcup redux.
- the chocolate bunnies Lucy/Hawk exchange felt like a meta in-joke about the bunnies from IE. ("It's not the bunnies!".... "Is it the bunnies?")
- Wally Brando a riff/inversion of James' James Dean schtick?
- what is a blue rose again, some "top secret" symbol? I remember this comes up in FWWM

my favorite part about the james reveal in the bar was the comment "...he doesn't talk so much anymore" - shelly's comment? either way it was like an acknowledgment that yes he is in this, and yes he is a very bad actor

also: 1&2 def front-loaded w horror and dread, 3 felt like Eraserhead level wtf-ness with the extended leaving-the-Black-Lodge sequence, and 4 primarily about the extra-banal hijinks and slow-burn "laffs"

no idea where this is going, which is great and one of the principal joys of Lynch in general imo

also lol @ John Ennis' 10-second role

an acknowledgment that yes he is in this, and yes he is a very bad actor

haha yeah

by contrast Dana Ashbrook's scenes were classic, Bobby is such a wonderful character.

- what is a blue rose again, some "top secret" symbol? I remember this comes up in FWWM

blue rose cases are indeed "top secret." in the opening of fwwm cole communicates the facts of the teresa banks case to chris isaak through lil, his mother's sister's girl, who is wearing a blue rose. i originally thought they were connected to project blue book but i think they maybe have some greater resonance/reach

James is way more interesting in his quick appearance than he ever was on the original show, possibly because he's actually smiling!

dana ashbrook crying at laura's picture is my favorite thing that happens so far

Dana Ashbrook was always one of the show's secret weapons for sure

yeah that was great. I loved how he still could swing from that sorta goofy sarcasm to facial-contorting melodrama at the drop of a hat

xp

Dana Ashbrook played the dumb Marine on trial in A Few Good Men, and he was adorable.

You mean James Marshall. Agreed, one role where his dopiness worked.

oh yeah whoops

The bunnies was a reference to this from the series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrTe_vEubC8

yeah I know

but even so

at the Bang Bang bar end of episode 2 - i can't believe that is Shelly wow she looks really good! also James walked in but who was the guy fake shooting at her? was that Bobby?

she was great in Mad Men too

I didn't notice Bobby in that scene (I did spot Jaques Renault tho!)

I forgot she was on Mad Men for a bit.

She's really been the only one of the Twin Peaks women to work very consistently over the years; she was on Gilmore Girls, more recently in Witches of East End, Riverdale, and was on Love last year on their fictional Witch show, Witchita. Notably too I think she's the only one to have very extensive work done and doesn't appear to have aged naturally (not that she isn't really hot, she is).

xpost nope, wasn't bobby

have you seen 3+4 yet, adam? you'll meet bobby :)

i really love this revival. so great. lots of new characters and weirdness. but yes he doesn't buying saying things like "Cooper you need to escape the Black Lodge and replace your double". i guess you could see that as a sell out of sorts. i think it's funny, this is the level of normal we are at, this passes for rote narrative. love it.

this is amazing. he could not have made this back then though. it is too ambient. too dark. too many special effects. too digital. there are probably things he is doing all over that he could never have done simply because of digital cameras and the ability to shoot endlessly and take them places normal cameras can't go.

the glass box is very cool. the design of that room is so sick. it is like Industrial Kubrick. there is an arc on the wall behind the box that is painted black. the box is basically an eyeball. i love all the cameras pointing at this box. the box is clear so they are really pointing at each other. then the whole thing snapping in scale with Cooper trapped inside, like someone flicking through settings on their camera. this is literally experimental. this is a crazy minimalist art piece here. this is a para-science experiment to generate being from nothing. a literalization of the diving into the endless river of ideas. this is super zen. everything about this is observing the observer. the guy being paid to watch it is basically meditating. introducing this all new mystical shit that has nothing to do with the red curtains and zigzags is a triumph.

i worship the box as my personal lord and savior and i invite you to join me

for real though, go box room. the box room also has a bit of the inbetween-era tech going on, as LBI mentioned yesterday. there are all these cameras trained on it at all times, and yet each camera needs to have its film replaced periodically, so apparently they're not digital.

the guy 'fake shooting' was balthazar getty, no?

Yep

nabisco seems to be doing pretty well for himself but you have to admit there would be a nice inverse symmetry to nabisco crawling back to ILX as a sock and being completely offTM at all times

my message to nabisco - the times may be good for you, but if and when you do come back, you must be wrong

Adam and KM otm about the box room. I love it so so much. And KM otm about the film needing to replaced. And that a sound from a speaker says so.

By god does that room, the industrial sounds, and the speaker voice, remind me of 'What Where' by Samuel Beckett, filmed magnificently for the Beckett on Film 2001 boxset, and to my great dismay that version is not on youtube so I can't illustrate it (there are other versions, but that's the one to live by imo)

(KM if you don't know the film I mean, say so and I'll hook you up cuz I think it's right up your street)

I've only seen one episode, and it's enough to get me excited about subsequent episodes.

Do y'all consider it strange that I admire Lynch's work but consider Twin Peaks a secondary, almost discrete achievement? I wasn't a devotee – I'stopped at the first season years ago – but love much of Fire Walk with Me. In other words, you can love Lynch and not go nuts over TP.

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i was in the midst of typing that i downloaded all of Beckett on Film a couple years ago but never watched all of them! i was trying to organize a small group to watch through them and after a few weeks everyone but me realized that it was a terrible idea, and then i never resumed the sequence.

i think i have it on an external hard drive though! i'll watch it after the sun goes down. :)

'What Where' lasts a mere 12 mins but is totally worth it. I'll pray for the sun to set swiftly for you today :)

Dougie "manufactured" (idk how) by Bob as a way to trap Cooper upon his scheduled release from the Black Lodge? This would also explain who those dudes were that wanted to kill Dougie right after Cooper came back (ie, Bob's thugs/minions).

I don't think cooper's doppelganger is BOB exactly but I think he made dougie out of the little gold ball thing because he knew that the 25-year time was about to present itself and he was about to be pulled back into the lodge as good dale left - instead GD swapped places with a decoy & they are both out in the world, but this is apparently unsustainable

Those dudes wanting to kill dougie are separate I think, just thugs that he & Naomi watts owe money

hmm that could be, Watts did make a reference to being in debt

btw speaking of BOB, is anyone else slightly um uncomfortable that bad coop's connection with him is suggested via heavy fake tan makeup? Shades of past l/f missteps maybe? I always appreciated that BOB was never racialised in the original show, he was a spirit from the same place as MIKE whose actor happened to be native american (although otoh I always thought there was a racial aspect to the way some viewers talk about silva as someone who "just looks terrifying", which is crazy, he's just a guy, if he walked past you in the street you wouldn't even look at him twice)

anyway the BOB question in general is interesting to me - I honestly didn't think he'd even be mentioned as much as he has in this, because a) no silva and b) they seem to have moved away from the demonic possession angle

I noticed it but didn't really register any racial angle - along w his snakeskin and leathers I just took it as evidence that he's "weatherbeaten"/sunburned cuz he's been out doing dirt for 25 years

I don't think Silva "looks terrifying" but when he does his maniacal laughing/evil grin schtick yes he is legit terrifying

have been surprised Lynch hasn't resorted to using some old footage for some BOB-in-the-mirror shots tbh

bob is terrifying, frank silva out of character not so much

exactly. but people really do say that

Do evil Coop and Dougie puke up Garmonbozia?

How did Dougie get Teresa Banks' ring?

Al, I think it is perfectly normal, esp. on ILX, to like Lynch's film stuff more than the original Twin Peaks. The biggest problem with OG Twin Peaks is that Lynch didn't have as much input on it as should have. His collaborators were unable to do a good imitation of his vibe.

evil coop def does; not sure about dougie. good question on the ring also; the last time we saw it it was stolen by a nurse from annie's finger in Missing Pieces.

How did Dougie get Teresa Banks' ring?

yeah I thought that's what that was - which is why I connected Dougie back to BOB

On first viewing I had to fast forward past most Andy and Lucy scenes (including Cera)--they're just so bad, especially compared to the rest of the show! And it seems like they go on for fucking ever! Intend to go back and watch them later, but gotta steel myself first

wally brando forever

Thanks everybody for your takes, there were a lot of details I missed out on or had trouble interpreting (still have no idea what was up with the squishing-face scene, but I thought it was hysterical)

Sad to see people aren't getting on board right away, but I'm not sure I can blame people since this is seriously stark. I'm loving it so far though even though bits just die on the screen (bunnies). The original show had a lot of scenes that just laid there so everything not quite working is ok for me right now

i couldnt stop laughing during michael cera's monologue even though (because?) his presence completely broke all immersion