controlled explosion in Fallowfield
― wtev, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 12:54 (seven years ago) link
looking at the bbc ticker reading 'trump condemns attackers as evil losers' is inspiring real get-me-off-this-planet feelings
― ๐ต it's grey pubic now, stoner blue ๐ต (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 13:00 (seven years ago) link
The Superbowl is the metaphor that keeps giving..
― Mark G, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 13:02 (seven years ago) link
god even when Trump is doing something so benign as offering condolences he can't manage to not be deeply off-putting.
― evol j, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 13:09 (seven years ago) link
I have dealt with 50+ journos online today. Two found my mobile number. This cunt found my house. I still don't know if my brother is alive. pic.twitter.com/NYbLzBsVH0— Dan Hett (@danhett) May 23, 2017
― ogmor, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 13:12 (seven years ago) link
fucking hell
― ๐ต it's grey pubic now, stoner blue ๐ต (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 13:13 (seven years ago) link
https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/westandtogethermanchester
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:19 (seven years ago) link
Re: the Hett family pestered by journalists - fuck that's horrible
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:22 (seven years ago) link
"Let me have exclusive access to your suffering "
― wtev, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:37 (seven years ago) link
I can't read this article because my computer's too old to load some websites. Can someone tell me if it covers anything useful? I'm interested in looking at the response to the attacks, which this about, but for obvious reasons don't want to do my own research
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/the-simple-problems-with-the-rights-response-to-the-manchester-attack?utm_source=vicefbuk&utm_campaign=global
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
cardamon this is a pastebin of that vice article https://pastebin.com/EB2MDC6D
― i n f i n i t y (โ), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
Cheers
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:46 (seven years ago) link
yw
― i n f i n i t y (โ), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:49 (seven years ago) link
A 22-year-old from Manchester has been named by police as the attacker.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 17:01 (seven years ago) link
this is really sad and scary RIP
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link
"evil losers in life" is pretty fucking otm if you ask me, fuck them
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 18:42 (seven years ago) link
"evil losers in life" is pretty fucking otm if you ask me, fuck themโ flappy bird, Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:42 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
โ flappy bird, Tuesday, May 23, 2017 7:42 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i just watched the clip of the speech and was going to post pretty much the same thing. much as i abhor trump and what he stands for, that kind of unstatesmanlike talk seemed to hit a spot. not exactly diplomacy but sometimes saying it like it is, works. and yes i know a stopped clock etc.
― wtev, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 19:23 (seven years ago) link
If the Manchester attacker was Palestinian and the victims Israeli, the terrorist's family would receive a stipend from Mahmoud Abbas. pic.twitter.com/gmTqzYwZwY— Benjamin Netanyahu (@netanyahu) May 23, 2017
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
^ real
If my daddy's not my daddy but my daddy doesn't know etc
― Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
This whole thing seems like an attack on the idea of female empowerment as much as anything else. An audience of mainly teenage girls attending a show on the Dangerous Woman tour - I mean, how could it not be? Just some of the toxic voices we're hearing from now e.g. Hatekins and @prisondipshit remember who they're aligning themselves with when they write their next fucking misogynistic anti-feminist screed.
― del esdichado (NickB), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link
Very much my thoughts. It feels to me like a very calculated both to attack children and young people in particular, and to attack women in particular, to attack a very female space - a more targeted thing than just a general attack on people who like to drink and enjoy themselves.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:16 (seven years ago) link
*a very calculated thing
(drink/dance/whatever)
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:17 (seven years ago) link
do y'all really think there is that level of artist-specific or audience-specific calculation going on though? i'm genuinely curious because to me it just seems purely random. the last big concert attack was Eagles of Death Metal, which is pretty much as far from an Ariana Grande crowd as you can get.
― evol j, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:19 (seven years ago) link
two different forms of idolatry
― imago, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:20 (seven years ago) link
I think they'll have been looking for a big gathering of people first and foremost
Whether it mattered that it was Ariana Grande and that there'd be lots of girls and young women there - it just feels as though the attacker will have been aware of that. Grande is well-known, talked about a lot, etc, so what 'Ariana Grande' is culturally, symbolically, is not an elusive thing to get?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
There is a really good 2-part doc on Arte right now (in French) called Terrorisme, Raison d'Etat, by Ilan Zivhttp://www.arte.tv/fr/videos/064376-000-A/terrorisme-raison-d-etat-1-2
Ziv made another doc about 10 years ago specifically about suicide bombers, how they're recruited, by whom, etchttp://icarusfilms.com/new2002/hw.html
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:23 (seven years ago) link
ISIS have claimed responsibility but I don't know how much that means yet. It may have been mostly this one man's invention, or may have had more or less to do with them. Either way, ISIS are definitely culturally literate (members post memes on social media) enough to do artist-specific targeting, and no reason the bomber if acting mostly alone couldn't have been. I have no proof for any of this of course
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:25 (seven years ago) link
ISIS is interesting because some random turd can go ahead and do something like this and then ISIS can be like 'oh, ya, that was ummm us, FYI'
― global tetrahedron, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, and the link, the membership, could just be something like a subscription to a video stream
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:29 (seven years ago) link
It seems this sort of bomb is not easy to make and operate without specialist help
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link
xp I think it's very important to remember this, by the way, in order to maintain perspective. Even if this particular attack turns out to have been a 'classic' terrorist attack, i.e. made by a concrete organisation with concrete demands and special pin badges to prove membership, still a lot of contemporary attacks are done by individuals whose only contact with such an organisation is online.
Although cf what Tracer Hand says, yes that's a good point. We'll see what emerges I suppose.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:32 (seven years ago) link
that's an important point, and it certainly complicates any narrative you'd want to impose on ISIS-branded attacks. it certainly works in their favor though because even if there was some kind of pattern being orchestrated from above, the lone-wolf factor essentially eradicates that and only makes the whole spectre of terrorism more frighteningly random.
― evol j, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:34 (seven years ago) link
in the online social media materials distributed by isis and the like there is often info regarding bomb making etc.
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:36 (seven years ago) link
xp Yeah there's the random factor - but someone acting on their own will struggle to knock out two security guards, or whatever - there are useful limits to how much a lone wolf can do, I guess.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
though the perpetrator in this bombing had spent time in Libya so i'd imagine it's not possible to rule out that there's been some irl link. also police were looking for his brother iirc? so maybe not acting totally alone etc. etc. we'll know in due time
for whatever reason this bombing has saddened me more than most - i deliberately don't get emotionally invested in atrocities and disasters if i can help it, buti suspect it's how young so many of the victims and witnesses must have been that has got to me. felt like crying when i read about it yesterday
― -_- (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:39 (seven years ago) link
No problem with that? Your post shows you can separate your inevitable emotions from your take on 'policy'.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:41 (seven years ago) link
This is a well-sourced article about what's currently known
https://www.ft.com/content/93d616a6-3f97-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:45 (seven years ago) link
UK terror threat level raised to 'critical'. Troops could be deployed. More or less a state of emergency, in other words.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:55 (seven years ago) link
xp Could you c+p that, it's paywalled?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
(xp) Yet we're still supposed to have a General Election on June 8.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
It's all so senseless. The terrorists who do this sort of thing don't even have a clearly stated achievable goal, just death and destruction.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:00 (seven years ago) link
They have goals. Goal #1 is heighten the antagonism between the Islamic world and the West. The ultimate goal is for their version of Islam to squeeze out all others. They want to build societies based on a literalist reading of sharia law.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:07 (seven years ago) link
ISIS is an organization of dumbass psychopaths but they nevertheless have an ideology and an agenda.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:12 (seven years ago) link
I have an idea the ultimate goal of ISIS might be more banal, beneath the stated aim of a global caliphate - more like claiming a chunk of territory from syria, turkey and iraq and holding it for themselves.
But yes, antagonism between a 'west' and an 'islam' (and also building them two concepts and trying to make them concrete) is a big part of it.
But then I think Josh also has a point about the weakness in terms of definable concrete objectives in these attacks.
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
โ Never changed username before (cardamon), Tuesday, May 23, 2017 1:56 PM (nineteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:HFGnAUgCJvEJ:https://www.ft.com/content/93d616a6-3f97-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
or
https://pastebin.com/tDTBaXJJ
― i n f i n i t y (โ), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:17 (seven years ago) link
Great stuff, thanks again
why i support an anti-war agenda. Western foreign policy for the last 10+ years has only fed into this. we need to stop bombing. we need to stop droning. we need to stop arming. violence begets violence. we always find a convenient scapegoat, someone else to blame and say is worse, never taking time to seriously consider the consequences for those not so geographically privileged (Atlantic and Pacific ocean we love you). the Iraq War and War on Terror are things that happened, are still happening, and have consequences down the line, and will for decades. the US left needs to step up in regards to the anti-war effort. we need to course correct and then some.
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:21 (seven years ago) link
so true adam
― spud called maris (darraghmac), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 21:27 (seven years ago) link
Good post
― Kozelek, Sunday, 4 June 2017 18:52 (seven years ago) link
i prob mentioned before but when trump got elected an edict came down from on high that anyone in the civil service, literally anyone, should not criticise donald trump on social media, to avoid "besmirching the office of the us president" - people prob would have been annoyed except that it was so ludicrous.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Sunday, 4 June 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
Theresa got the memo though.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 June 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
LOOOL saw that!In other news, C4 News just interviewed Ginger Steve, a spacey homeless guy who used to hang out with the couriers at the pub under Ed's flat, and he is apparently due praise for tending to a wounded young woman hit by the van at London Bridge last night. Good on you, Steve.
In other news, C4 News just interviewed Ginger Steve, a spacey homeless guy who used to hang out with the couriers at the pub under Ed's flat, and he is apparently due praise for tending to a wounded young woman hit by the van at London Bridge last night. Good on you, Steve.
I have been to this pub!!!!
― El Tomboto, Sunday, 4 June 2017 19:02 (seven years ago) link
Yes! Along with most of ILX Britisher old school (and a few lucky Americans). It's called The Clerk and Well now and the couriers have mostly gone (along with the table football, snooker and the occasional glimpse of Boris Johnson on both).
― syzygy stardust (suzy), Sunday, 4 June 2017 19:25 (seven years ago) link
This made me cry
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=NDJlPG_M600
― Mule, Sunday, 4 June 2017 22:19 (seven years ago) link
I don't even know who Ariana is but what a class act.
― Whooremeister (jed_), Sunday, 4 June 2017 22:49 (seven years ago) link
Our family vacation has turned out to be educational for my kids in ways I didn't anticipate. We were in Manchester for the one-week memorial for the attack, we went down and saw the square full of balloons and flowers. We're in London this week, so when they woke up this morning I had to tell them what happened overnight. They were dismayed and sad, but not scared. I think terrorism to them is just one of those things that happens, like earthquakes and floods.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Sunday, 4 June 2017 22:49 (seven years ago) link
Solely judging on some youtube clips of One Love Manchester: What a woman. What a huge, loving heart.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 5 June 2017 00:25 (seven years ago) link
I'm impressed. She didn't have to do anything, and if she did, there were a dozen right things she could have done. That she did this one, and also did it right, warms the heart.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 5 June 2017 02:26 (seven years ago) link
I confess that a fat tear rolled down my cheek during Over the Rainbow.
― Madchen, Monday, 5 June 2017 05:45 (seven years ago) link
Yeah, Ari was fantastic. Also really touching to see Miley helping her through it all like a big sister
― del esdichado (NickB), Monday, 5 June 2017 07:05 (seven years ago) link
One of the London Bridge terror attackers was carrying an ID card issued in Ireland when he was shot dead, security sources in the Republic have confirmed.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 5 June 2017 10:59 (seven years ago) link
The Prime Minister has called for barriers to be installed between the pavement and the road on all bridges as a basic safety measure.
Oh wait no she's not done that she's called for a magical regulated Internet to totally prevent maniacs from learning how to drive and stab.
― nashwan, Monday, 5 June 2017 11:42 (seven years ago) link
Asim Oddin, 39, who lived near the suspect in Barking said: โHe used to park outside the flats which isnโt allowed and blocked everybody. We had an altercation when I told him not to park here. He said โnot to follow the systemโ he was quite rude.โ
wake up, sheeple.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 5 June 2017 12:09 (seven years ago) link
an inconsiderate road-user and and murderer? not having that, sorry
― he's also fouled up with NON-FAT (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 5 June 2017 12:11 (seven years ago) link
we need to crack down on parking offences.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 5 June 2017 12:19 (seven years ago) link
one of the bombers allegedly had an irish id, the irish papers are saying.
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 5 June 2017 12:21 (seven years ago) link
There's a suggestion he was a Moroccan living in Dublin - as recently as last year.
Ireland seems to have a relatively large Moroccan community iirc, though that might just be anecdotal.
― Wag1 Shree Rajneesh (ShariVari), Monday, 5 June 2017 12:27 (seven years ago) link
i have a friend whose family GP when young was harold shipman: asked how she remembers him she doesn't have much more than "he was rude and dismissive of my concerns, me, an impossibly sulky teen with acne" -- but it's not as if she was in the position to say "i remember corpses stacked three deep in the waiting room, i warned everyone but they ignored me"
so this guy's "he was an arsehole and everyone hated him" is almost bound to end up being about small neighbourly infractions -- if he knew worse (and didn't warn the authorities long ago) he obviously puts himself in a terrible position
― mark s, Monday, 5 June 2017 12:38 (seven years ago) link
I don't even know who Ariana is but what a class act.โ Whooremeister (jed_), Sunday, June 4, 2017 6:49 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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Safe to say, this clears her for the donut incident.
― how's life, Monday, 5 June 2017 12:47 (seven years ago) link
If true, speaks volumes
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:05 (seven years ago) link
Scotland Yard has named two of the attackers as Khuram Shazad Butt and Rachid Redouane, who are both from Barking in east London.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:10 (seven years ago) link
Khuram Butt, one of the London attackers, appeared in the Channel 4 documentary the Jihadis Next Door last year.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:14 (seven years ago) link
Fuck me, talk about hiding in plain sight
― del esdichado (NickB), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:19 (seven years ago) link
Some serious repercussions to come out of that surely?
― del esdichado (NickB), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:20 (seven years ago) link
Whoever was Home Secretary at the time might have serious questions to answer... oh, hold on.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
calls for police to get special permission to monitor broadcast communications
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
Sounds like some TVs to watch Channel 4 documentaries on jihadis might be more useful.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:25 (seven years ago) link
that's the joke
― ๐ ๐๐ข๐จ (caek), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:25 (seven years ago) link
Too clever for me and Theresa.
― Punnet of the Grapes (Tom D.), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:44 (seven years ago) link
jesus
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 June 2017 17:50 (seven years ago) link
There are reports, quoting neighbours of one of the attackers, that he was driving the van very fast down the wrong lane of a street near where they all lived last Friday. People were freaking out because there were kids playing nearby and so forth. Makes sense now.
Like the Manchester bomber these guys had been reported to the authorities more than once. This is a massive fuck-up and several people deserve to lose their jobs for this, what's the point of requesting ever-more-intrusive surveillance powers when you can't even adequately monitor a guy who's *in a fucking documentary about jihadism*?
― Matt DC, Monday, 5 June 2017 18:03 (seven years ago) link
Fuck's sake. I mean that's it right? Shows how deep the cuts have gone if they can't catch someone who's been on TV?
― Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 5 June 2017 18:09 (seven years ago) link
why would he be doing this in advance of the attack?
― Bein' Sean Bean (LocalGarda), Monday, 5 June 2017 22:29 (seven years ago) link
.....practice?
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Monday, 5 June 2017 22:30 (seven years ago) link
or mental preparation
― del esdichado (NickB), Monday, 5 June 2017 22:31 (seven years ago) link
cause he's fuckin kokooroo
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Monday, 5 June 2017 22:40 (seven years ago) link
Reports that a van has driven into a crowd of people leaving a mosque in Finsbury Park.
― stet, Monday, 19 June 2017 00:02 (six years ago) link
Reports of fatalities after a man knocked over many pedestrians near Finsbury Park mosque pic.twitter.com/V6JVNbBR4y— Shulem Stern (@ShulemStern) June 19, 2017
― stet, Monday, 19 June 2017 00:04 (six years ago) link
Feels like it's time for a rolling thread tbh London Rolling
― stet, Monday, 19 June 2017 00:18 (six years ago) link
god fucking dammit
― El Tomboto, Monday, 19 June 2017 00:18 (six years ago) link