The stars turn: the TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread

I love that w a cast of like 200 KM still plays at least 3 characters

re the happy endings discussion in the non-spoiler thread: is it possible that laura and leland could also be socket-sucked into the real world and be reunited with sarah totally bob-free? there'll always be the incest-rapey overtones but it would still qualify as a david lynch happy ending, even if the final scene is the two of them yelling "HELLOOOOOO" at vending machines

The opening sequence in ep 3 was really wonderful. The whole thing with the eyeless woman, the way it looked, and was edited, the sounds and weird contraptions, it all reminded me of Lynch's student films and Eraserhead.

The show lost me a bit with amnesiac Coop's interminable wanderings in LV, and the sheriff's office stuff was kind of dumb. I was roped back in when it got back to Gordon and Albert. Their meeting with evil Coop was perfect.

I also like having a different dream pop act at the end of each episode.

Agree with everything you say except that I didn't like the purple scenes with the eyeless woman and liked even less when they climbed out and emerged on top of the metal box. Although the eyeless woman pulling the lever was pure eraserhead.

A lot of this looks much more like Lynch's paintings, rather than his previous film work.

I like this a lot. The "funny" scenes are the weakest. The chocolate bunnies scene with hawk and Lucy and Andy was a total misfire as were the scenes of cooper with his wife and kid at breakfast and the whole casino thing which was, frankly, boring. The only good thing there was the dirty old woman in velour. Didn't believe the scenes where they give him his winnings. Who was that actor who played the casino manager though? He was good.

And it has to be said that Lynch himself is an excellent actor. His scenes are brilliant.

The only black actor in the show being a hot chick with her tits out though was.... Not good.

To say the least.

otm

xp casino manager was Brett Gelman.

Before the series began I joked that no one should be allowed to get through Twin Peaks without dealing with some bad scenes, but Lynch's Chrysta Ball fixation is pretty embarrassing, especially having Albert ogle her ass. Highlights of 3 & 4 for me were the purple world, Michael Cera, and crying Bobby.

Ernie Hudson is in it at some point, probably for 30 seconds as a ghost or grotesque in the corner of a scene. It's not good but I don't expect different at this stage. Same for all these old dudes paired up with beautiful young women (even my name is earl's brother)

I thought jade was fun tho & wonder if we'll see more of her with the whole vegas subplot of these criminals being after the joneses. It's hilarious (and kind of a litmus test for people's tolerance for this show's style) that dougie has drastically changed his appearance and is showing signs of serious brain damage but everyone's only reaction is to get slightly pissed off at him

I hope Naomi Watts gets some substantial stuff to do once the penny drops that this isn't dougie.

The contents of cooper's car being cocaine--machine gun--dog leg was fucking great, albert's "what, no cheese and crackers?" line was not. He's one character that could do with a punch-up from the one of the Harley peytons & Tricia Brocks of the world. Didn't quite get his line about a truckload of Valium either, unless it was in reference to Bell's acting style/mannerisms

Oh and the "certain woman" they need to talk to is 100% Diane right

lol @ Wally Brando

Cera did a pretty great job with that

I can help but think about how subtly tired and ill Miguel Ferrer as Albert seems whenever he's on screen. Poor guy.

can't*

When Tammy asked him if he was feeling well it seemed like they were acknowledging his real life sickness the way they did with the log lady (and possibly Truman, if it turns out ontkean's pulling out was due to health issues)

I've got a crush on Ben Rosenfield.

Alfred that was my one of viewing partner's big takeaways as well

That's all I have to report.

one episode in.

I love the B&W sequences: same lighting and texture as Eraserhead.

man y'all are really selling the comedy scenes short. i'm still loling at "HELLOO!"

i lost my shit at "There they are, Albert. Faces of stone."

― ciderpress, Monday, May 22, 2017 7:42 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm, tbh i could watch a whole show of just gordon and albert

some random thoughts:

- Dougie "manufactured" (idk how) by Bob as a way to trap Cooper upon his scheduled release from the Black Lodge? This would also explain who those dudes were that wanted to kill Dougie right after Cooper came back (ie, Bob's thugs/minions). I do love that Mr. Jackpots is basically Senor Droolcup redux.
- the chocolate bunnies Lucy/Hawk exchange felt like a meta in-joke about the bunnies from IE. ("It's not the bunnies!".... "Is it the bunnies?")
- Wally Brando a riff/inversion of James' James Dean schtick?
- what is a blue rose again, some "top secret" symbol? I remember this comes up in FWWM

my favorite part about the james reveal in the bar was the comment "...he doesn't talk so much anymore" - shelly's comment? either way it was like an acknowledgment that yes he is in this, and yes he is a very bad actor

also: 1&2 def front-loaded w horror and dread, 3 felt like Eraserhead level wtf-ness with the extended leaving-the-Black-Lodge sequence, and 4 primarily about the extra-banal hijinks and slow-burn "laffs"

no idea where this is going, which is great and one of the principal joys of Lynch in general imo

also lol @ John Ennis' 10-second role

an acknowledgment that yes he is in this, and yes he is a very bad actor

haha yeah

by contrast Dana Ashbrook's scenes were classic, Bobby is such a wonderful character.

- what is a blue rose again, some "top secret" symbol? I remember this comes up in FWWM

blue rose cases are indeed "top secret." in the opening of fwwm cole communicates the facts of the teresa banks case to chris isaak through lil, his mother's sister's girl, who is wearing a blue rose. i originally thought they were connected to project blue book but i think they maybe have some greater resonance/reach

James is way more interesting in his quick appearance than he ever was on the original show, possibly because he's actually smiling!

dana ashbrook crying at laura's picture is my favorite thing that happens so far

Dana Ashbrook was always one of the show's secret weapons for sure

yeah that was great. I loved how he still could swing from that sorta goofy sarcasm to facial-contorting melodrama at the drop of a hat

xp

Dana Ashbrook played the dumb Marine on trial in A Few Good Men, and he was adorable.

You mean James Marshall. Agreed, one role where his dopiness worked.

oh yeah whoops

The bunnies was a reference to this from the series:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrTe_vEubC8

yeah I know

but even so

at the Bang Bang bar end of episode 2 - i can't believe that is Shelly wow she looks really good! also James walked in but who was the guy fake shooting at her? was that Bobby?

she was great in Mad Men too

I didn't notice Bobby in that scene (I did spot Jaques Renault tho!)

I forgot she was on Mad Men for a bit.

She's really been the only one of the Twin Peaks women to work very consistently over the years; she was on Gilmore Girls, more recently in Witches of East End, Riverdale, and was on Love last year on their fictional Witch show, Witchita. Notably too I think she's the only one to have very extensive work done and doesn't appear to have aged naturally (not that she isn't really hot, she is).

xpost nope, wasn't bobby

have you seen 3+4 yet, adam? you'll meet bobby :)

i really love this revival. so great. lots of new characters and weirdness. but yes he doesn't buying saying things like "Cooper you need to escape the Black Lodge and replace your double". i guess you could see that as a sell out of sorts. i think it's funny, this is the level of normal we are at, this passes for rote narrative. love it.

this is amazing. he could not have made this back then though. it is too ambient. too dark. too many special effects. too digital. there are probably things he is doing all over that he could never have done simply because of digital cameras and the ability to shoot endlessly and take them places normal cameras can't go.

the glass box is very cool. the design of that room is so sick. it is like Industrial Kubrick. there is an arc on the wall behind the box that is painted black. the box is basically an eyeball. i love all the cameras pointing at this box. the box is clear so they are really pointing at each other. then the whole thing snapping in scale with Cooper trapped inside, like someone flicking through settings on their camera. this is literally experimental. this is a crazy minimalist art piece here. this is a para-science experiment to generate being from nothing. a literalization of the diving into the endless river of ideas. this is super zen. everything about this is observing the observer. the guy being paid to watch it is basically meditating. introducing this all new mystical shit that has nothing to do with the red curtains and zigzags is a triumph.

i worship the box as my personal lord and savior and i invite you to join me

for real though, go box room. the box room also has a bit of the inbetween-era tech going on, as LBI mentioned yesterday. there are all these cameras trained on it at all times, and yet each camera needs to have its film replaced periodically, so apparently they're not digital.

the guy 'fake shooting' was balthazar getty, no?

Yep

nabisco seems to be doing pretty well for himself but you have to admit there would be a nice inverse symmetry to nabisco crawling back to ILX as a sock and being completely offTM at all times

my message to nabisco - the times may be good for you, but if and when you do come back, you must be wrong

Adam and KM otm about the box room. I love it so so much. And KM otm about the film needing to replaced. And that a sound from a speaker says so.

By god does that room, the industrial sounds, and the speaker voice, remind me of 'What Where' by Samuel Beckett, filmed magnificently for the Beckett on Film 2001 boxset, and to my great dismay that version is not on youtube so I can't illustrate it (there are other versions, but that's the one to live by imo)

(KM if you don't know the film I mean, say so and I'll hook you up cuz I think it's right up your street)

I've only seen one episode, and it's enough to get me excited about subsequent episodes.

Do y'all consider it strange that I admire Lynch's work but consider Twin Peaks a secondary, almost discrete achievement? I wasn't a devotee – I'stopped at the first season years ago – but love much of Fire Walk with Me. In other words, you can love Lynch and not go nuts over TP.