cool lookin' book
http://www.orbooks.com/catalog/how-i-lost/
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 May 2017 17:21 (seven years ago) link
With a foreword by JULIAN ASSANGE
disgusting imo
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Monday, 22 May 2017 17:25 (seven years ago) link
yeah id prob skip the intro
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 May 2017 17:25 (seven years ago) link
in the words of the Democratic candidate and her close associates
but speaking of disgusting
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Monday, 22 May 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link
"But her slaves!"
― Mr. Snrub, Thursday, 8 June 2017 00:14 (seven years ago) link
I was wondering when that was gonna cross over
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 01:33 (seven years ago) link
idgi
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 02:38 (seven years ago) link
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/06/the-clintons-had-slaves
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 04:40 (seven years ago) link
Slaves make license plates. Slaves sew products for third-party companies. Slaves cook for other slaves.
― pplains, Thursday, 8 June 2017 05:26 (seven years ago) link
The Hillary-Bernie online camp battles get more annoying by the day (even with her mini-comeback tour I don't think she'd run in 2020) but the way she wrote about that is pretty horrifying.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Thursday, 8 June 2017 09:53 (seven years ago) link
WHO GIVES A FUCK
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 June 2017 10:47 (seven years ago) link
the Clintons used slave labor when he was governor of Arkansas and his wife was tone deaf about it? Fuck I'm glad to hear this is blowing up on twitter I thought I would have to think about some actual politics shit today
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 June 2017 10:49 (seven years ago) link
Thank god we didn't elect this woman amirite fellas
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 8 June 2017 10:50 (seven years ago) link
Without clicking on that can I just check what slave means in that article pls
― D'mnuchin returns (darraghmac), Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:41 (seven years ago) link
Unpaid prison labour, see also that handy loophole in the 13th amendment
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:47 (seven years ago) link
If you just want to read the excerpt without the commentary, it can be found here https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBp4hQYVoAER0g8.jpg
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 11:57 (seven years ago) link
there was also something about a country club they used to golf at too
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 8 June 2017 13:38 (seven years ago) link
It's wrong to keep throwing around the word "slave" in reference to this.
Though if you want to go ahead and talk about how Mike Huckabee "freed a slave" and then the "former slave" went to Washington and killed a bunch of cops, go right ahead. At least you'll sound consistent.
― pplains, Thursday, 8 June 2017 14:55 (seven years ago) link
it's a more honest way to talk about the prison industrial complex than is generally done imho
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:07 (seven years ago) link
― El Tomboto, Thursday, June 8, 2017 3:47 AM (four hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:09 (seven years ago) link
LALALALALA
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:10 (seven years ago) link
What? You mean we almost elected a racist as president?
Whew! Way to dodge a bullet there USA
― waterbear say hi to me (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
It would be great if this was a part of establishing a more honest way to talk about the prison industrial complex, but I suspect it's just a way to shit on Clinton again, and many of the people outraged will be laughing at the new season of Orange is the New Black tomorrow.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
I don't care about the excerpt, but the logic/morality pretzels being thrown out there in her defense over it are depressing. Take the L, people.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link
and yeah obviously this is just one small anecdote indicating a much, much broader issue
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:42 (seven years ago) link
I don't think it's that hard to defend her, honestly. It was tradition, and she wasn't the governor so it wasn't her call. There.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:46 (seven years ago) link
to do something would have been a huge inconvenience to them
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:47 (seven years ago) link
It's obviously horrific, and if it brings attention to the horror, good, and the Clintons clearly played their part in a horrific system. But are anyone surprised? I've never been to Arkansas, but it strikes me as exactly the kind of thing I would expect to happen in Arkansas, and we've always known Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas. So...
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:48 (seven years ago) link
It's just fairly typical that this was posted in the thread about Hillary Clinton, and not a thread about race or the prison system or anything else.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:53 (seven years ago) link
Simon OTM.
― Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 June 2017 15:56 (seven years ago) link
what would be surprising is if they weren't acquainted w Trump at all during their early 90s real estate golfing with rich people heyday
― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:02 (seven years ago) link
It was tradition, and she wasn't the governor so it wasn't her call.
She was married to the governor. Do you not think she could have done anything about it if she'd cared to?
― jmm, Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:22 (seven years ago) link
Sure. Eleanor Roosevelt passed and signed an anti-lynching law singlehandedly.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
I kinda don't think it's a particularly good thing to criticize women for the decisions of their husbands. At the end of the day, it wasn't her call.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:26 (seven years ago) link
She is still implicated in the system, sure, but the guilt of Hillary Clinton is not the main issue here.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:27 (seven years ago) link
she's being criticized more (that I've seen) for the language she used in discussing it than for Bill's role in perpetuating it.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:28 (seven years ago) link
I agree that attacking anyone through their spouse (or any other family member) is below the belt.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:29 (seven years ago) link
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), 8. juni 2017 18:28 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Link? What I've seen is mostly 'They owned slaves' and only based on a single excerpt taken out of context. I would love to know why she's even writing about it, it seems to build to a point. For those who don't know, btw, the book is It Takes a Village from 1996.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:32 (seven years ago) link
I don't use twitter at work if I can help it but the first people I saw posting about it were pretty squarely focused on the excerpt and its tone. Since then, yes, there's been plenty of "they owned slaves!" shitposting, but such is the nature of Twitter.
― a serious and fascinating fartist (Simon H.), Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
i suspect people on both sides of this issue are going to be making arguments in less than good faith -- "who cares" basically means let's focus on other things here -- but actually excusing the practice and clinton's actions seems...very bad
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 June 2017 16:58 (seven years ago) link
What actions?
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link
i'm cool w/discussing the reasons why hillary lost, only bc it's interesting to look back at what went wrong strategically and demographically and all, but as far as why the clintons are bad, i mean at this point i just don't want to talk about them as people anymore. though maybe we can't have one w/o the other, idk.
― nomar, Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:03 (seven years ago) link
― Frederik B, Thursday, June 8, 2017 1:02 PM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
the actually having a slave thing
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:04 (seven years ago) link
Unpaid prison labor meets the definition of "involuntary servitude", but it sure as fuck doesn't meet the definition of "slavery". As bad as unpaid prison labor is, equating it with slavery belittles the absolute injustice of slavery, in which innocent people become the property of someone else, who is privileged to abuse them or dispose of them however they see fit.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:08 (seven years ago) link
It really sucks that convicted murderers had to leave the prison workshops for cushy jobs in a mansion.
― how's life, Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:16 (seven years ago) link
nice man
― k3vin k., Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link
saying you'd rather not think about it because we should focus on trump is one thing. finding ways to defend the prison industrial complex is another!
It seems to fit into the definition of "modern slavery" from the US State Dept here and UNESCO here.
― Tomorrow Begat Tomorrow (Sund4r), Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:32 (seven years ago) link
― k3vin k., 8. juni 2017 19:28 (two minutes ago) BookmarkFlag Post Permalink
Nobody here does either.
― Frederik B, Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:33 (seven years ago) link
So long as they didn't step out of line and get "sent back."
note: the criticism I've seen really focused on the way she gleefully wrote about that part.
― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Thursday, 8 June 2017 17:35 (seven years ago) link