Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

a view to a kill has a certain charm

Wisconsin state legislature considering a law that would require public universities to suspend or expel any student who interrupts a speaker

http://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/2017/related/proposals/ab299

http://www.wrn.com/2017/05/campus-free-speech-bill-gets-public-hearing-in-madison/

Uh, that is precisely the opposite of free speech, in that it criminalizes speech, and presumably it would be political speech that it most often applies to. What compelling state interest is involved here? This is a law just begging to be declared unconstitutional and it is exactly this nasty overreach by assholes like Wisconsin Republican legislators that the First Amendment was adopted to thwart.

the law is whatever you can get away with

^you sound like the average police officer or lawyer. a judge would tell you different, but that's from a different perspective.

maybe a judge on an island somewhere

Grace Jones is tall, like an amazon

I don't think she is that tall btw.

grace jones is 5'9"

Which is taller than average but hardly Amazonian. Some dispute, some say 5'8", she claims 5'10".

until my early 20s my entire awareness of Grace Jones consisted of that In Living Colour bit where Kim Wayans screams "I'M GRACE JONES DO YOU FIND MY SEXY???"

do you find ME sexy?

goddamnit.

Back in the 80s Grace Jones was like a Carson monologue staple as a scary, man-eating alien woman. I suppose if you ingested that as a child and never interrogated it, it could still pop out of your mouth in an inappropriate place.

this is the weird thing about racism

i think someone of hispanic descent would argue that why would an amazonian be an acceptable comparison and not grace jones?

the character of the amazonian has also been depicted as a caricature in colonial literature that dealt with adventure and exploration

comparing someone to an amazonian is not a compliment in spanish and is often said to poke fun

we live in a weird world

I think you've got hold of another type of Amazonian there.

the character of the amazonian has also been depicted as a caricature in colonial literature that dealt with adventure and exploration

Amazons are figures from greek legend who were purported to live in some hazy area beyond Scythia in Asia. They were described as a tribe run by women who were fierce warriors, who used the bow and arrow as their weapon of choice. The greeks said the young women sliced off their right breasts so that it would not interfere with correctly drawing their bows.

otoh, Amazonians are inhabitants of the Amazon River basin, which river and basin derived their name from an early (false) rumor of a native tribe who resembled the amazons of greek legend. The rumor died fairly early on when no such tribe was found, but the name was catchy and it stuck.

lol okay i googled amazons

damn greek

lol aimless

As restitution you have to watch the Wonder Woman movie.

That painful moment when you can't decide whether to post to "Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism" or "People that YELP are Scumbags"

http://yaledailynews.com/blog/2017/05/13/screenshots-surface-of-insensitive-yelp-reviews-by-pierson-college-dean/

is this the right thread for the Great Tortilla Heist of 2017?

https://pdx.eater.com/2017/5/22/15677760/portland-kooks-burrito-cultural-appropriation

it was briefly discussed in the food appropriation thread

Yale dean should not have been fired. For the past three years or so generalizing statements about white people have become omnipresent in liberal milieus. Whether that is good or bad is one thing, but it's not fair to crucify this one person who speaking in a way that she has been led to believe is chill.

Oh wait she wasn't fired. Good. It's about time things go the way I think they should.

Sounded like that was more snobby Ivy leaguer aghast at the townies than lol white genocide

The former often masquerades as the latter.

http://text-patterns.thenewatlantis.com/2017/05/major-collegiate-disorders.html
http://text-patterns.thenewatlantis.com/2017/05/getting-context-and-grip.html

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-47F8yBZH25E/WSs0xvBmBEI/AAAAAAAAC34/Fv4g-kpmGf0013SgNao3Jp4UE78UKsegQCK4B/s640/IMG_0154.jpg

1811 North Carolina otm

I guess the point is we should be glad that protests over a Halloween costume email didn't lead to bombings like they did in the 70s?

lol @ Conic section rebellion

wait, transylvania?

lol @ Conic section rebellion

― sexualing healing (crüt), Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:17 PM (five hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

First thought also

Been following as sex-positive feminist YouTube personality Laci Green has redpilled, or at the least, opened up to the possibility of having conversations with anti-feminists. In her reasoning behind this move, she cites both the Hypatia situation from a month ago as well as negative reactions she has received from people who she is an ally of (apparently was threatened and called 'cis scum' or something at some conference she was at recently).

Anyway, this is gaining more traction (and backlash) on twitter etc. in the past couple days, but google news results only show reporting from right wing media. I'm surprised that she hasn't shown up more on ilx, since she was a strong voice in opposition to gamergate and other such creepy internet dude movements.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQ1ga8yuM50&t=5s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZGVlb9cwYg

Wasn't sure if this was the best thread to put this in, as there are a few threads that cover similar ground, but decided to piggyback on the Hypatia thing.

why can't these people just type, i am not here for watching them slowly talk on my screen

Based on the minute I watched of each video, I wouldn't want to read her writing either.

Oh man can we get some typeouts of what she's saying? I find youtube talking format videos impossible

faux chummy vloggy voice

Taking what we've got to work with tho the trouble for me is I'm not sure people who call other people 'cis scum' are entirely serious, or if they are serious that they're a serious threat, and not sure if they haven't got some good intentions in there somewhere. As opposed to someone who would say 'trans scum'. i.e. Are people who call you 'cis scum' really significant enough to use as reference points in building your political outlook?

I'm not sure people who call other people 'cis scum' are entirely serious, or if they are serious that they're a serious threat

Regardless of the exact level of threat they might pose, that person is creepy. I don't think their creepiness is attached to their creepy views about freedom of speech, so much as their creepy use of speech and what it says about them.

some of my best friends are cis scum

I'm not sure people who call other people 'cis scum' are entirely serious, or if they are serious that they're a serious threat, and not sure if they haven't got some good intentions in there somewhere.

"i'm sure X isn't serious and has good intentions deep down" seems like a non confrontational way to excuse shit behavior

The hatred between trans activists and terfs are definitely real and intense.

as the first two words that make up TERF is "Trans-exclusionary", makes sense that they would exclusive trans.

they sometimes rub against classic feminists as well. we used to have a thing called LadyFest that was a yearly feminist festival and i heard gripes from many feminists about not getting a spot because it was taken by a band full of guys in dresses.

TERF is a dumb fucking term btw

i don't see the reason in declaring that you and only you get to decide what label you wear and yet you feel entitled to label other people for not agreeing w you. like, what?

That's an incredibly weird thing to say.

For one thing, being trans-gender doesn't mean you have an obligation to treat other people a certain way. It just means being trans-gender.

Wanting to police the behaviour of trans-gender people before you decide what 'label' you'll let them wear is discriminatory as fuck. Even calling it 'deciding what label you wear'...

So "TERF" means what? Trans-Exclusionary Rat Fucker? or is it something else?

Radical Feminist.

I guess I was off the mark there.