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Ah, you're right. Reading more about the mods now. xp

malcolm arnold's the one you need for vacuum cleaners tbrr

http://c8.alamy.com/comp/FW5JHR/floor-polisher-and-vacuum-cleaners-on-stage-in-birmingham-symphony-FW5JHR.jpg

sy were forever sticking new electronics in jazzmasters too, which is why thurston and lee's signature models from fender have unusual pickups and shit

Yeah, I was totally wrong there.

malcolm arnold's the one you need for vacuum cleaners tbrr

... Swell Maps, l0u1s jagg3r, many talented artists have utilized the humble vacuum cleaner.

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smh at the notion that the intricate guitarplay of Sister, Daydream et al. could be described as "vacuum cleaner", have you actually heard these records?

People should start new threads instead of using this thread as a test kitchen for potentially interesting discussions / clusterfucks

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sonic youth peaked in the 80s and basically sucked after that

nah nm i don't actually feel that way

slow but distinct decline with interesting interludes

that's better

They got good when they discovered phaser and chorus pedals on Washing Machine.

the 80s records all sound like SHIT, horrible thin & flat production, almost as bad as Spot's work with Hüsker Dü. Daydream Nation has riffs but it sounds horrible. Goo onwards they had good production but ehh

music talk should really be quarantined to ILM, for the sake of all the innocents

dmac is exempt from this, obv

80s SY is straight noise rock lol who cares about production

the SY records that were "produced well" are boring as shit

Teenage Riot is one of the best riffs of all time, but that shit sounds weak on record. It's quiet & flat.

i'll start a new thread in ILM

I think if there's one person on this board whose views on music I can reliably disgree with it's flappy bird.

idk those 80s records sound fine to me. sister especially

ye mad puffin i think is referring to their live shows

sy the little princesses that they are have said they sometimes didnt feel like playing songs so played huge walls of sound and feedback sometimes, mostly in the 90s im gonna say

Sister and EVOL definitely sound better than Daydream Nation, and yeah I like all these records, but they could be so much better. I hate when shit production stifles great songs, most egregious example is Teenage Riot.

anyway i started a different thread, moving on w/ nonmusical controversial opinions um..... Eyes Wide Shut is the best Kubrick movie

on White Light White Heat you can barely make out the drums what is up with that shitty production? for christ's sake learn how to mix properly

apples n oranges my dude. Teenage Riot is an anthem and the production doesn't serve it well. and fwiw i love the production on every VU record. i'm not saying everything needs to have big booming production, just that these particular records would've been served well by it.

xp

bullshit punk rock diy ethos

I always felt a little guilty that "Incinerate" is probably my favorite Sonic Youth song

hell yeah, the super saturated/wet chorus guitar that comes in on the last verse rules

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― baby boomer death wave (bizarro gazzara), Friday, May 12, 2017 8:34 AM

done

thanks brimstead i appreciate u

anyone caring non ironically about the eurovision should be neutered

anyone caring ironically about it should be executed

Yeah, I guess castrating / killing a disproportionate number of gay people would be pretty controversial.

^ doesnt care about executed straight ppl

Better save your excuses for your testimony to the ICC, darraghmac

neither is original but i will fight for the truth of these two:

good criticism is often more enjoyable & more valuable than its subject

disdain for irony indicates a dangerous lack of understanding of how humans think & exist in the world

surely neither controversial

if only

there is a lot of bad criticism and a lot of bad irony, and they can also have a crippling effect ('understanding stops action' some nerd said once), so i appreciate the temptation to eschew them entirely like a toxic ex, but earnest straightforward unreflective positivity is pernicious

it is the worst thing imo

ilx is a good place full of excellent people and i have not wasted the 16 years i have been posting here

planet earth is a good place full of excellent people and i have not wasted the 37 years i have been living here

good criticism is often more enjoyable & more valuable than its subject

disdain for irony indicates a dangerous lack of understanding of how humans think & exist in the world

― ogmor, Wednesday, May 17, 2017 10:10 AM (thirty-seven minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

surely neither controversial

― spud called maris (darraghmac), Wednesday, May 17, 2017

the "good criticism" line is, even here

The new imbedded tweets function is a disaster

The subsequent trend towards posting embedded threaded tweets is the worst thing to have happened ilx

Ned on the trump thread is ruining your life, isn't he.

ned on the trump thread
two bits

there are a few people on ilx that i can say this about: ned can do whatever the hell he wants. and don't scare him away from the trump threads i like having him there! it's comforting. like a warm bowl of soup.

also, sister sounds awesome. the 80's stuff sounds good! people who prefer 90's SY are trump voters and disgusting savages and garbage people and they are also fake news. we put sonic nurse on in the car recently and i had never actually heard it and man oh man that was the first and last time i will ever hear that. so sad.

i got original (they looked vintage anyway...) zen arcade and new day rising CDs in at the store and they sound awesome! better than vinyl. now i don't even need the vinyl. like, really really good. i don't know why, but digital agreed with them. and yeah i definitely used to daydream about what those albums would have sounded like with someone like john loder behind the board, but on CD those guitars are killer. don't know about later versions on CD.

okay, i looked it up. the zen arcade i have is not a 1987 CD. probably a 90's issue. but none of that modern era in the red crap. i can crank it loud on my klipschs and it sounds great.

scott otm

... on all of that.

Not very controversial then is he

Everyone else might disagree with him though.