Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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Murphy's always been alright with me, especially for those couple of goals against United over the years.

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:08 (twenty-one years ago)

He's a solid lad, no fancy dan stuff.

the dreamfox, Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:12 (twenty-one years ago)

Certainly not a "big time charlie".

Ronan (Ronan), Wednesday, 11 August 2004 16:20 (twenty-one years ago)

everton are only 3 places behind man u at the mo... 8)

http://www.4thegame.com/

koogs (koogs), Monday, 16 August 2004 07:21 (twenty-one years ago)

everton are awful.

liverpool will be there or thereabouts.

cºzen (Cozen), Monday, 16 August 2004 07:53 (twenty-one years ago)

(sorry mike. still, at least palace are doing well... what are you going to do next weekend when they play each other?)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:04 (twenty-one years ago)

There may be a new manager and a new strike force but Liverpool looked pretty much exactly the same as they did last season. Baros was poor and Sinima-P looks like a nasty piece of work - I think they sent the wrong young striker out on loan as Le Tallec looked pretty useful on occasions last year. I like the look of Djibril Cisse though, and Josemi looks a good signing.

Spurs had seven new players (bargain basement Chelsea!) and put in a pretty solid defensive display but had no midfield creativity and rarely looked dangerous going forward, Defoe aside. Who'd have thought it?

Steve Finnan on the wing looks like a patch-up job akin to Tottenham's embryo at left back. Not a huge amount of depth in that Liverpool squad right now, is there?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:16 (twenty-one years ago)

it's a bit weak yes, I like the look of Josemi though - he was pretty solid, and still like the look of Carragher at CB, not sure about him getting turned so easily by Defoe though.

I like Finnan on the right wing for some reason, I know I shouldn't. I think Liverpool are a winger and a striker (at least) short of being a bet for Champs league status though. A striker being the upmost importance (I can't believe they don't have an Owen replacement contingency - my bet is Beattie)

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:40 (twenty-one years ago)

My bet is Mista.

MikeyG (MikeyG), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:52 (twenty-one years ago)

All it takes is for a bigger club to wave a shiny sixpence in front of Defoe (now apparently the future of English football) and he'll join them.

I'm quite worried about these Man Utd rumours, it must be said.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 16 August 2004 08:57 (twenty-one years ago)

what are you going to do next weekend when they play each other?

Sit in the Main Stand at Selhurst Park and grit my teeth (thanks to Tim H for the ticket).

I didn't see yesterday's debacle (I was at work and it took a text message from TH to remind me it was even happening - it was 0-3 by then so no great further pain) but I'm sure Arsenal will do that to a dozen teams this season. I thought Carsley's goal was sweet.

We started 84-85 with a 1-4 home defeat, y'know...

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 16 August 2004 10:18 (twenty-one years ago)

Xabi Alonso looks like a done deal, this is a *very good* thing, a good basque boy who probably loves his mum very much. I like his style, he is very good

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:09 (twenty-one years ago)

I wonder if he will import his mum, like Reyes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:22 (twenty-one years ago)

most likely, and a few black pigs too hopefully

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:25 (twenty-one years ago)

Mmm, black bacon.

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 16 August 2004 19:31 (twenty-one years ago)

Does he luv his mum like that that other spanish chap who admitted being breastfed until 10?

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 16 August 2004 21:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Hey, DC: Finnan for Spurs' right-back slot?

the bellefox, Tuesday, 17 August 2004 15:27 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd be okay with that, but I like Stephen Kelly as well. I'd prefer a creative midfielder or two though.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 07:43 (twenty-one years ago)

Xabi Alonso has a foot and a half in Liverpool:

http://elmundodeporte.elmundo.es/elmundodeporte/2004/08/17/futbol/1092756704.html

That's still half a foot in the dancing streets of Sociedad, though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 18 August 2004 08:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Not a footy thing, but: did anyone hear Radio 4's documentary on the Liverpool Playhouse on Sunday?

I liked it, though they all said nice things about each other all day long.

In footy news, Everton scored more goals than Liverpool, this weekend!

the bluefox, Sunday, 22 August 2004 23:55 (twenty-one years ago)

We were eventually pretty impressive on Saturday.

Bent looked like he'd rather be anywhere but SE25 at first, but this was deceptive - he's not a wild, impassionate, get-stuck-in merchant like so many less talented Blues of recent years, but rather more cool and considered. He got better and better and was ultimately running the show with Gravesen. Big Dunc came on and was rubbish as ever - moaning at teammates and unable to direct a single header. Palace were lamb-like after Tommy G's peach on the hour. I loved my afternoon in the Selhurst sun.

So...our Russian benefactor - it's not Boris Zingarevich, but his 'football-mad' son Anton. I need some convincing this is an unambiguously good thing.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 23 August 2004 07:18 (twenty-one years ago)

From When Saturday Comes' messageboard:

Boris Zingarevich graduated from the Technological University for Pulp and Paper Industry in St. Petersburg, Russia and began his professional career as a technician at Kondopoga Pulp and Paper Mill in 1985. Four years later, Mr. Zingarevich was promoted to Production Manger of St. Petersburg Cartonboard Mill. In 1991, he started his own furniture manufacturing business with the support of friends and family. In 1992, when the state was no longer a monopolist for export sales, Mr. Zingarevich founded Ilim Pulp Enterprise as a trading company specializing in export sales of pulp and paper products. During 1994, he began acquiring pulp and paper manufacturers with the goal of establishing a vertically integrated forest products company. He was successful in this effort and Ilim Pulp Enterprise acquired majority ownership of Kotlas Pulp and Paper Mill, Bratsk Forest Industry Complex and St. Petersburg Cartonboard Mill. Mr. Zingarevich currently serves on the Board of Directors for Ilim Pulp Enterprises, which employs 36,000 people with annual sales in excess of $1 billion. The Ilim Group is the 67th largest processor of timber in the world today.

Seems he's not in the Roman 'I'm a scarily evil cunt of a shitbag twathead privatising asset-stripping thief fuckhead of a arsehole' Abramovich league, which i'd say was good for Everton.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 23 August 2004 08:13 (twenty-one years ago)

Is that the official Supporters Direct angle on Abramovitch, Dave?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 23 August 2004 10:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Very unoffocial and very personal. Who is Dave? Who are Supp0rters D1r3ct? Can we plz google proof pls and Roman Abram0v1ch genuinely scare me.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 23 August 2004 10:14 (twenty-one years ago)

Sorry Dave!

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 23 August 2004 10:16 (twenty-one years ago)

three weeks pass...
Everton just can't stop winning.

Liverpool are back.

the bellefox, Monday, 13 September 2004 13:47 (twenty-one years ago)

back of the queue?

ken c (ken c), Monday, 13 September 2004 13:58 (twenty-one years ago)

third!

koogs (koogs), Monday, 20 September 2004 08:26 (twenty-one years ago)

This is a bit off

http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/drilldown/N146075040919-1115.htm

Jarlr'mai (jarlrmai), Monday, 20 September 2004 08:50 (twenty-one years ago)

Stuart Hall's 'bullfighting' interview of Rafael Benitez on 5 Live was excruciatingly bad. He wanted to show off the Spanish he picked up during the It's a Knockout years. Actually, I don't think Franco would let Spain participate in It's a Knockout, he must have picked it up on holiday. Anyway, it was painful because of Stuart Hall, but I found myself liking Benitez for the first time. I hope he beats Mourinho.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 25 September 2004 16:57 (twenty-one years ago)

I am worried about Liverpool. 'Average, appalling, abysmal'. On the limited evidence of the highlights, that sounded close enough to accurate.

Everton will bounce back. It is probably right that Redknapp gets a ban.

Today I found myself thinking of Trevor Steven, and how he never convinced me. I guess I always came at him from the wrong angle.

the bluefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:01 (twenty-one years ago)

Redknapp's ban will coincide nicely with the return of Davies and Carrick, thus pushing him way down the pecking order. I suspect that, during suspension, he will injure himself for the rest of the season in training. Therefore claiming that he was never dropped - he was just unlucky with injuries and suspension.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:07 (twenty-one years ago)

There's footage of Tricky Trev scoring a flying header vs Southampton on my SEVEN GOAL THRILLERS video, Foxy. Spooky - Goodison gets quieter and quieter the more goals we score. All because of Dogleash's toe-poke at Stamford.

So far, so 02-03. EFC grinding out victories (though our rampaging first-half performance was for nought last Saturday) and LFC useless away from Anfield.

What differences has Jellybean made to LFC's playing style, if any?

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Matt DC: It will be true!

Mike: I fear that JB'n has made LFC less effective.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Liverpool are alarmingly inconsistent - one game they can look truly fantastic, the Monaco game for instance, the next utter cobblers. Although a 1-0 defeat to a frankly inpenetrable Chelsea team is hardly a disaster.

Its too early to judge Benitez's effect on the team but he couldn't make them much worse than the last couple of Houllier seasons surely?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:15 (twenty-one years ago)

Last couple of seasons: 5th (+ League Cup) and 4th. They can do MUCH worse than that.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:20 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, if Spurs and Everton are going to be occupying 4th and 5th slots, then they'll have to.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:21 (twenty-one years ago)

I shall take that back then, and we'll all go and jeer Arsenal down the Wishful Thinking stadium.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

I think Benitez has brought in some excellent players who haven't got to know each other yet, and he hasn't quite settled on a formation either. Give it a few weeks, and Steve Gerard returning, and I think they will be very good.

I can't quite work out how Everton are doing it - they aren't impressing me much, but they are getting results. I'll be surprised if it lasts, and expect them to finish outside the top 6 or so.

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:30 (twenty-one years ago)

'Stevie'

('Gerrard')

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:36 (twenty-one years ago)

Well, we haven't exactly beaten fantastic sides - the five wins have been against Palace, West Brom, Man City, Boro and Portsmouth. So, the fixture computer has been our friend. But Moyes seems to be very good at identifying other teams' strengths and neutralising them so that if we get a goal, there's rarely a way back for (mediocre) opposition. Our most flowing, attacking football of the season seemed to come in the first half-hour vs Spurs and yielded nowt.

Cahill has proven a very smart buy indeed and it's good to have Chadwick back in the ranks to provide non-pensionable support to Bent. Outside top 6, yes. But inside top half, I'm increasingly convinced.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 13:43 (twenty-one years ago)

I am glad that Cahill is not seriously injured. I would feel slightly guilty, were he.

the bellefox, Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

> first half-hour vs Spurs and yielded nowt.

hit the woodwork twice though* = only a matter of inches.

(*think the second time was later in the match but...)

koogs (koogs), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 14:42 (twenty-one years ago)

two months pass...
This Is The Thread Where I (Belatedly Have The Opportunity To) Say:

One-Nil

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:04 (twenty-one years ago)

'Everton made the Champions League' is going to become the new 'Greece won Euro2004' smug argument-winning line for football anti-rockism, isn't it?

There's always an unlikely team up there at this point in the season, but I'm starting to think that barring a major injury crisis, Everton could actually go the distance. Unlike, say, Charlton last year, Everton don't have a Scott Parker who's up there making everything happen* but who's going to be hoovered up by the more powerful clubs during the transfer window, and that's a big, big thing in their favour.

*Maybe Gravesen, but the sort of clubs who'd go for him are Villa, Charlton and Fulham, and why would he want to go to any of them?

Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 December 2004 12:22 (twenty-one years ago)

How are the Tranmere Rovers doing?

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 05:53 (twenty-one years ago)

Morientes... Welcome or Bugger Off? Perhaps this should be on the Transfer Window thread that I dream about every night.

The Madrid want Stevie G...

Most people here seem to think it is Urgent and Key to live in London, so Gravesen will probably want to sign for Charlton or Fulham for that reason alone. And it'll be no use any London-residing Everton supporters crying about it, either.

Puddin'Head Miller (PJ Miller), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 10:55 (twenty-one years ago)

are Liverpool after Lauren Robert now?

Frankenstein On Ice (blueski), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 11:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Tranmere conceded 6 on Saturday, using 3 keepers in the process, Theodore Whitmore (Jamaican international midfielder) wa sthe third and was regaled with calls of "it's behind you" shortly after he wafted at another shot going in. They are still second in the third division though

Morientes = good in the short term I think, I still think there may be a very cheeky bid for someone else as well (so long as it's not Kanoute)

Robert? I blooming well hope not.

Porkpie (porkpie), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 11:10 (twenty-one years ago)

We may have peaked with the derby win judging by our inability to threaten a very poor Blackburn side on Saturday while every other top-sixer was winning. It's the first time we've dropped points to anyone you might reasonably expect to find in the bottom half.

11-4-3 remains our best start since 1978 when another slightly jammy effort from a midfielder outside the box won us the Goodison derby. That season we faded to a distant 4th - I'd settle for that this time.

I doubt we'll lose anyone significant next month (Gravesen gives the impression of loving it on Merseyside - God knows I didn't, but I didn't cultivate the accent like he has) and Parker is, funnily enough, someone we've been linked to. Beattie too.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 22 December 2004 12:09 (twenty-one years ago)


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