Democratic (Party) Direction

coveredgoverned

that too

our self-selecting political class is so much better than those morons, to be sure

if Trump is the yardstick, then generally speaking the answer is yes

Stipe / Dunham '20

http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2017/05/08/maloney-subs-for-faso-as-ahca-fallout-continues-111875

I think this is brilliant--a Dem congressman is gonna take questions about the AHCA at a neighboring district's town hall when the GOP congressman doesn't show up.

If possible, they should do this EVERYWHERE

yes!

Senator Sean Penn

the trolling town halls thing is p genius

more like cucking townhalls

more like Pwnhalls

Scott Lemieux has a good piece on Jacobin's lame hatchet job on Gillbrand: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/05/today-left-bernie-sanders-personality-cult

and is Jacobin as bad this often?

as far as I can tell, yes

That's not much better as a takedown of the Jacobin piece than the Jacobin piece is a takedown of Gilibrand. Leftist publication not down with "orthodox Democratic" positions and politicians, news at 11!

ie "She interned for Al D’Amato, rather than…moving to another state that had better senators? I swear this is the opening argument" makes it sound like she worked with him for a summer after college, the Jacobin piece is rather more detailed on the continuing association.

The speed of change in ideology is a fair question with any politician, especially if one is adopting a new progressive streak. It runs with the bullshit about how Hillary '16 "had the most progressive platform in history" - despite literally no one on Earth thinking it represented her actual views or how she would govern given her druthers.

keeping an open mind on KG, don't really trust her tho. No circumstances salve my pain at D'Amato connex.

despite literally no one on Earth thinking it represented her actual views or how she would govern given her druthers.

That's one of Lemieux's points, though: politicians are starfish and need repeated kicks to get them where you want them to go.

don't really trust her tho.

I'm surprised you of all people would think trust and politics were mates.

you know, "trust"

on a curve

It runs with the bullshit about how Hillary '16 "had the most progressive platform in history" - despite literally no one on Earth thinking it represented her actual views or how she would govern given her druthers.

― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 16:48 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what a bizarre criticism. the platform is the platform. her actual views or druthers are irrelevant seeing as how she put together the platform to take into account the practicalities of an attempt to get elected, whether that platform was left or right if her own belief on any one issue.

ie "She interned for Al D’Amato, rather than…moving to another state that had better senators? I swear this is the opening argument" makes it sound like she worked with him for a summer after college, the Jacobin piece is rather more detailed on the continuing association.

― El Tuomasbot (milo z), 9. maj 2017 18:46 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Um... : D’Amato and Gillibrand have remained close over the years despite their respective party affiliations. He enjoyed a prominent place at her first senatorial press conference — which the late journalist Wayne Barrett called a “not-so-subtle advertisement of his influence” meant to benefit his lobbying firm — and authored a gushing piece on Gillibrand for Time’s 2014 “100 Most Influential People” issue.

That's all of it. He was at a press conference and wrote a puff piece about her... Yeah, Jacobin is comically bad at this point.

xpost I seem to recall one or two politicians ignoring a few items in their platforms once elected.

Soooo... Two terms of Trump then

lol that two of Gillibrand's other shady associations according to Jacobin are Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton

Left wing cleverness, altruism, and generosity really transcends any human who could ever be elected to do those things... So beautiful

lol that two of Gillibrand's other shady associations according to Jacobin are Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton

well, they both suck shit.

Al d'Amato, otoh, is possibly the most corrupt senator of his era, including any and all who may have been convicted of something.

In the USA "the platform is the platform" carries FAR less weight than in European politics, because party representation is not proportional, but entirely based on who wins in any given district. Candidates care only about positions that will help them win East Podunk, not what appeals nationally. Party discipline is especially lax among democrats.

But dmac is correct to point out that it is generally bizarre to speculate on a national-level politician's personal views, compared to what they think is most popular with voters or what will net them the biggest campaign donations. They recalculate these two factors tirelessly.

that kind of thinking goes on constantly though-- "Obama is really going to be Obama now that he's won re-election/ is about to leave office" "Trump isn't really pro-life" etc etc

once again Freddy B, you know fuckity fuck about all. Jacobin will be tot worthless the day a cheese curd like you approves of them.

Well, that sure is a lot of influence you give me.

I agree that Clinton would have done nearly nothing in that 'progressive' platform, btw, but that has more to do with the Republicans almost certainly hanging on to the house no matter what than some personal defect in Clinton. Clinton would have given the US left the Supreme Court and... that's it... Sanders would have given them about the same.

their DOJs wd've prosecuted the same ppl, eh

Sanders would have given the left much greater clarity of narrative about the great things they wanted to accomplish, if only circumstances allowed. Clinton would have been more about endless maneuvering for incremental victories. both approaches have validity, but it works better if they are alternated. rn the US electorate is clearly in the mood for bigger visions and bigger changes, and the dems aren't stepping up their vision game.

The speed of change in ideology is a fair question with any politician, especially if one is adopting a new progressive streak. It runs with the bullshit about how Hillary '16 "had the most progressive platform in history" - despite literally no one on Earth thinking it represented her actual views or how she would govern given her druthers.

― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, May 9, 2017 12:48 PM (one hour ago)

this is a fair point, though gillibrand's history is not quite as extensive as HRC's so i do side with lemieux on this one. skepticism is proper, but you can't let it be pure cynicism

what a bizarre criticism. the platform is the platform. her actual views or druthers are irrelevant seeing as how she put together the platform to take into account the practicalities of an attempt to get elected, whether that platform was left or right if her own belief on any one issue.

reggie is a pretty good example of twitter radicalization. dude was like the politics algerian goalkeeper when he started posting here

i've been weaponized!

US electorate is clearly in the mood for bigger visions and bigger changes, and the dems aren't stepping up their vision game.

tbh this is kinda hard when Repubs' "vision" is bringing back coal jobs and replacing Obamacare with "something great."

xps to milo you are just making the same criticism and its still ridiculous tbh

No no no darragh. You said she did it 'to take into account the practicalities of an attempt to get elected' while milo claims she did it 'to encourage unity after the primaries'.

FIGHT!!!

I say she did it for the lulz

This conversation is literally hell

hell is other democrats

^^^

haha true

Democratic (Party) Direction

Straight to hell boys

glad i'm not one.

Bernie, Jimmy talk inequality:

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/09/jimmy-carter-and-bernie-sanders-explain-how-inequality-breeds-authoritarianism/

https://www.facebook.com/cartercenter/videos/10155045555976005/

lol outic otm nb im not a democratic i vote left

glad i'm not one.

maybe you and Bernie can start your own party

Cranky Old Party has a nice ring to it

maybe you and Bernie can start your own party

And hold the meetings in a fucking bathysphere.