Democratic (Party) Direction

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personally i think the problems of the left have less to do w people like clinton and wasserman schulz and more to do w the actual people that make up the left

"actual people that make up the left" is poorly phrased, sorry, but you know what i mean

I don't, tbh

how many more state and federal seats can democrats lose in 2017/18?

:)

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the french election is under attack too

personally i think the problems of the left have less to do w people like clinton and wasserman schulz and more to do w the actual people that make up the left

No, it's those Clintonite monsters.

If I was still a Catholic i'd ask for penance for reviving this thread.

you only have yourself to blame

reggie is a pretty good example of twitter radicalization. dude was like the politics algerian goalkeeper when he started posting here

I just don't think clinton lost bc of her opposition to structural racism and sexism

lol what opposition.

iirc, she openly referred to racists and sexists as 'deplorables', or something like that.

If I was still a Catholic i'd ask for penance for reviving this thread.

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius)

ten hail marys, five our fathers, go forth and sin no more

Or at least stick to the fun sins.

I just don't think clinton lost bc of her opposition to structural racism and sexism

lol what opposition.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, May 6, 2017 9:50 AM (two days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
iirc, she openly referred to racists and sexists as 'deplorables', or something like that.
― Aimless, Saturday, May 6, 2017 9:53 AM (two days ago)

She gave a high profile speech on the rise of the far right and spoke strongly about her intention to protect reproductive rights during the 3rd debate, which wasn't an insignificant thing to some people.

so Franken's doing a great job today, as he generally does, so between him being a beacon of GAF in the Senate and the fact that the GOP will gladly follow a washed-up reality star with multiple bankruptcies as long as it gets them a shot at controlling the SCOTUS, is there any good reason the Democrats should not actively recruit more celebrity candidates? Enumerate the things they have to lose.

Wish they'd picked him for VP in 2016 purely so he could've hit Pence with 'supply-side Jesus' in the debates but yes, please bring on a clever smartass from St Louis Park to end this, makes sense to me :-))

here is a stupid article that makes it easy to disregard the seriousness of the point I'm trying to make:
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/nov/14/michael-moore-oprah-winfrey-tom-hanks-us-president-donald-trump-democratic-party

I would say the biggest problem is that Dem celebrities are generally morons (with a few exceptions, including Franken). I would not welcome being covered by Senator Sweaty Bigface, for ex.

coveredgoverned

that too

our self-selecting political class is so much better than those morons, to be sure

if Trump is the yardstick, then generally speaking the answer is yes

Stipe / Dunham '20

http://www.politico.com/states/new-york/albany/story/2017/05/08/maloney-subs-for-faso-as-ahca-fallout-continues-111875

I think this is brilliant--a Dem congressman is gonna take questions about the AHCA at a neighboring district's town hall when the GOP congressman doesn't show up.

If possible, they should do this EVERYWHERE

yes!

Senator Sean Penn

the trolling town halls thing is p genius

more like cucking townhalls

more like Pwnhalls

Scott Lemieux has a good piece on Jacobin's lame hatchet job on Gillbrand: http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2017/05/today-left-bernie-sanders-personality-cult

and is Jacobin as bad this often?

as far as I can tell, yes

That's not much better as a takedown of the Jacobin piece than the Jacobin piece is a takedown of Gilibrand. Leftist publication not down with "orthodox Democratic" positions and politicians, news at 11!

ie "She interned for Al D’Amato, rather than…moving to another state that had better senators? I swear this is the opening argument" makes it sound like she worked with him for a summer after college, the Jacobin piece is rather more detailed on the continuing association.

The speed of change in ideology is a fair question with any politician, especially if one is adopting a new progressive streak. It runs with the bullshit about how Hillary '16 "had the most progressive platform in history" - despite literally no one on Earth thinking it represented her actual views or how she would govern given her druthers.

keeping an open mind on KG, don't really trust her tho. No circumstances salve my pain at D'Amato connex.

despite literally no one on Earth thinking it represented her actual views or how she would govern given her druthers.

That's one of Lemieux's points, though: politicians are starfish and need repeated kicks to get them where you want them to go.

don't really trust her tho.

I'm surprised you of all people would think trust and politics were mates.

you know, "trust"

on a curve

It runs with the bullshit about how Hillary '16 "had the most progressive platform in history" - despite literally no one on Earth thinking it represented her actual views or how she would govern given her druthers.

― El Tuomasbot (milo z), Tuesday, 9 May 2017 16:48 (fourteen minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

what a bizarre criticism. the platform is the platform. her actual views or druthers are irrelevant seeing as how she put together the platform to take into account the practicalities of an attempt to get elected, whether that platform was left or right if her own belief on any one issue.

ie "She interned for Al D’Amato, rather than…moving to another state that had better senators? I swear this is the opening argument" makes it sound like she worked with him for a summer after college, the Jacobin piece is rather more detailed on the continuing association.

― El Tuomasbot (milo z), 9. maj 2017 18:46 (six minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Um... : D’Amato and Gillibrand have remained close over the years despite their respective party affiliations. He enjoyed a prominent place at her first senatorial press conference — which the late journalist Wayne Barrett called a “not-so-subtle advertisement of his influence” meant to benefit his lobbying firm — and authored a gushing piece on Gillibrand for Time’s 2014 “100 Most Influential People” issue.

That's all of it. He was at a press conference and wrote a puff piece about her... Yeah, Jacobin is comically bad at this point.

xpost I seem to recall one or two politicians ignoring a few items in their platforms once elected.

Soooo... Two terms of Trump then

lol that two of Gillibrand's other shady associations according to Jacobin are Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton

Left wing cleverness, altruism, and generosity really transcends any human who could ever be elected to do those things... So beautiful

lol that two of Gillibrand's other shady associations according to Jacobin are Chuck Schumer and Hillary Clinton

well, they both suck shit.

Al d'Amato, otoh, is possibly the most corrupt senator of his era, including any and all who may have been convicted of something.

In the USA "the platform is the platform" carries FAR less weight than in European politics, because party representation is not proportional, but entirely based on who wins in any given district. Candidates care only about positions that will help them win East Podunk, not what appeals nationally. Party discipline is especially lax among democrats.

But dmac is correct to point out that it is generally bizarre to speculate on a national-level politician's personal views, compared to what they think is most popular with voters or what will net them the biggest campaign donations. They recalculate these two factors tirelessly.

that kind of thinking goes on constantly though-- "Obama is really going to be Obama now that he's won re-election/ is about to leave office" "Trump isn't really pro-life" etc etc

once again Freddy B, you know fuckity fuck about all. Jacobin will be tot worthless the day a cheese curd like you approves of them.