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Tattoos are gross and off-putting.

I don't think they're gross but I don't see their point.

for in case you're waiting a long time for a bus and you get bored and wanna look at something

Contro-op: It could just be that a group in power is the most susceptible to corruption, but it's also possible that there's something deeply, fundamentally wrong with white people.

tattoos can be incredibly sexy and they can also be very gross

white people can be incredibly sexy and they can also be very gross

The Monsanto Years is the best Neil Young album since Psychedelic Pill

it shouldn't be against the law to drive without a seatbelt

also, open container laws make zero sense

fwiw I always wear a seatbelt, I just don't think it should be illegal to not wear one. also it sucks to be driving three blocks never exceeding 15mph and have your car ding at you the entire time

most of my controversial opinions involve motor vehicles for some reason

seatbelt laws are one of the greatest public health achievements of the past 40 years, wtf

seatbelts are the mandatory health insurance of cars, even at low speed impacts you're going to end up in the ER to get cautionary x-rays to make sure you didn't crack a rib and jacking up my car/health insurance rates

Yes, but that has nothing to do with any other driver or pedestrian; whether or not I am buckled up makes no difference whatsoever to anyone else, so eschewing the seatbelt would seem like a personal--if reckless--choice, like smoking.

fwiw I always wear a seatbelt, I just don't think it should be illegal to not wear one. also it sucks to be driving three blocks never exceeding 15mph and have your car ding at you the entire time

― Wimmels, Thursday, May 4, 2017 12:07 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this isn't post your self-owns

take that trip at 45 so it doesn't ding as long? idk

Yes, but that has nothing to do with any other driver or pedestrian

If I pull out, don't see you, and you run into me, your bruised ribs are on my insurance!

or what if some kid whips around the corner and slams into you going over thirty head-on, meaning you're going to experience 15mph of your body decelerating plus 30mph of the other car's momentum

Ralph Nader's book that spurned automobile safety features was literally titled Unsafe at Any Speed and your argument is "idk I'm going real slow"

if you are not wearing a seatbelt and are in a crash you can a: kill the person in front of you if you are indeed sitting behind someone by hitting the back of their headrest with your head at a great speed. b: go flying out of the car and presumably a human projectile has potential to injure others

spurred xp?

good typo catch

xp

If I pull out, don't see you, and you run into me, your bruised ribs are on my insurance!

― a landlocked exclave (mh), Thursday, May 4, 2017 2:41 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

or what if some kid whips around the corner and slams into you going over thirty head-on, meaning you're going to experience 15mph of your body decelerating plus 30mph of the other car's momentum

Ralph Nader's book that spurned automobile safety features was literally titled Unsafe at Any Speed and your argument is "idk I'm going real slow"

― a landlocked exclave (mh), Thursday, May 4, 2017 2:43 PM (two minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

in both of these examples, though, the accident is your fault. again, not sure what my wearing or not wearing a seatbelt has to do with it if a kid is "whipping" around a corner at twice the speed limit, or you pull out and "don't see" me. I'm wearing a seatbelt to assuage your guilt for hurting me more than I might have been hurt if I was buckled? I don't see what that has to do with the law

if you are not wearing a seatbelt and are in a crash you can a: kill the person in front of you if you are indeed sitting behind someone by hitting the back of their headrest with your head at a great speed. b: go flying out of the car and presumably a human projectile has potential to injure others

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, May 4, 2017 2:46 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly how often do you think this happens? serious question because I have no idea

do you believe in the social contract or nah

Enough with this every-man-is-an-island glibertarian garbage. Even if you, not wearing a seatbelt, have a single-car accident and propel yourself through your windshield, public servants who get paid by my tax dollars have to perform an on-scene accident investigation and clean your unsightly remains off the road. Wear your goddamned seatbelt, and support mandatory seatbelt laws.

if you are not wearing a seatbelt and are in a crash you can a: kill the person in front of you if you are indeed sitting behind someone by hitting the back of their headrest with your head at a great speed. b: go flying out of the car and presumably a human projectile has potential to injure others

― -_- (jim in vancouver), Thursday, May 4, 2017 2:46 PM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

exactly how often do you think this happens? serious question because I have no idea

― Wimmels, Thursday, May 4, 2017 11:52 AM (ten minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/japan/1380376/Unbelted-rear-passengers-biggest-danger-in-crash.html

the actual projectile flying through the windscreen aspect i have to admit i have never heard of. just seems like a plausible thing that could potentially cause damage? but maybe not

I mean, even if you argue that it's exceedingly unlikely you'll get in an accident at that low speed for a few blocks, you're wagering the what -- four seconds, maybe? -- of buckling and unbuckling against that likelihood. I'm so used to buckling as I get in the driver's seat that I do it in the same motion as closing the door and starting the car. Why even close the door if you're going two blocks?

the kind of position you have in the Gulf where it's relatively easy to obtain a right to work but citizenship and benefits are impossible

It is worth noting that guest workers in the Gulf states are notoriously maltreated, in many situations the conditions are indistinguishable from slavery.

Why drive if you're going two blocks?

the kind of position you have in the Gulf where it's relatively easy to obtain a right to work but citizenship and benefits are impossible

It is worth noting that guest workers in the Gulf states are notoriously maltreated, in many situations the conditions are indistinguishable from slavery.

― a little too mature to be cute (Aimless), Thursday, May 4, 2017 12:06 PM (eighteen seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this sort of position is also the most common way people come to work in canada and has been since the 70s. temporary foreign workers who have no road to permanent residence and whose staying in the country is reliant on them remaining in the initial job they were hired for

conditions better than the gulf in general but abuses and illegal wages and working conditions are reported

xp to Lauren--Because on my way to places that aren't in any way close enough to walk or bike to, I often have to run errands and stop at the post office, bank, library, etc, and buckling and unbuckling every time I have to jump out if the car to mail a letter seems tedious and unnecessary

what makes you think you don't deserve a tedious life

touché

Finally an opinion that kicked up some dust!

(And which I hella disagree with, fwiw.)

I notice no one challenged the open container law part of that post

surely we can all agree open container laws are nonsense, at least

'all' ILX never agrees on anything that specific. and don't call me Shirley.

Being dead would be pretty awesome, it's only the painful way of getting there that sucks.

I mean most of the drag of being dead = worrying about it when alive, guilt of leaving people behind, all things that I ain't gots to worry about if I just peace out in my sleep. i'm not suicidal or nothin, but...idk, eternal sleep seems p cool atm

seatbelts are cool. i wore them every time when i used to drive.

fwiw my brother was in a car accident and not wearing his seatbelt at the time. he flew out of the car and landed on the ground unhurt. lucky as hell.

xp if it is indeed just like sleep, I'm with ya. I think most people fear dying more than death, like you say, and that makes perfect sense to me. My anxieties are more about doing "enough" while I'm still here, to sorta earn the rest, I guess

that said, if it's hellfire and space monsters or something even more unimaginably horrible, that's gonna suck big time

biggest fear: some kind of lingering consciousness while buried, for all fucking eternity

sweet dreams, ILX!

that used to scare me but now i figure u can get used to anything even frozen eternity

i honestly can't believe we had a discussion in 2017 on the merits of seatbelt laws. what's next, vaccines?

here's one that should be a little more controversial: combustible tobacco products should not be on the market

k3vin otm (on both counts)

in-n-out burgers are merely ok

blasphemy. you gotta order 'animal style' man

brimstead otm and not controversial so not otm

xp: So long as discreet/incombustible tobacco is still available for those who self-medicate. Snuff, snus, or even chew for the spitters who want oral cancer. I fully recognize that I don't have the right to harm the health of others, but frankly short-acting nicotine has been a life-saver for this neurotic.

When you're sliding into first and you feel something burst...it might *not* be diarrhea

I know it's controversial in the wider world but would the average ilx person be glad to be rid of cars and motorbikes? Even with a good public transport system we'd probably need some taxis.
Would be quite difficult for farms to downscale the number of vehicles used.

I'd feel kind of bad for motor vehicle enthusiasts, except from guys who use cars to impress women.

but then paul walker will have died for nothing