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I've been commissioned to make some kufis for my brother's friends. they are african type hats that looke kind of like this

It seems the pattern would be a pretty simple skull cap but I'm wondering if it would be better crocheted than knitted. my crochet skills are not as hot as knit and I'm also not sure how I might do a chart in crochet.

hmm. . .education in order.

― Ms Misery, Monday, 19 March 2007 20:04 (nineteen years ago)

this secret pal thing sounds grand!

I had a knitting dream! It was making a fancy border on a sweater, and I was actually reading a chart in my dream. I have a hard time reading charts when I'm awake, so this was quite a nice thing :)

― patita, Monday, 19 March 2007 20:47 (nineteen years ago)

Oh dear, I have discovered Japanese craft books.

― tokyo rosemary, Monday, 19 March 2007 22:16 (nineteen years ago)

Which ones do you mean, Rosemary? I might get some more when I go to Japan (yet again!) in June. I discovered that you have to read the charts differently, but I'm sure I'll figure it out.

Yesterday it was knitting course time again! We learned to make a cable which *splits* in the middle and wraps around the collar. Uhuh. How am I ever going to learn and REMEMBER all this? Mucho hard. Well, the cable thingie wasn't *that* bad, although I did make a minor mistake here and there. But I discovered that from next year the cost of the course almost DOUBLES: it'll cost 150 euros. WTF. I'm enrolling of course, but srsly what the fuck! For the retired people, who enroll mostly for socializing, this will be a difficult matter. Also, now we have *modules*: we can take basic knitting, creative knitting, relief knitting, colour knitting, accessory knitting and... can't remember. We all decided that we would do relief knitting so monday evening will be us lot doing knitting part II. Hurrah!

We also talked and looked at *art knitting* (which is basically lace knitting, but as lace is a specific thing in Belgium - unrelated to knitting - we don't call it lace knitting). The teacher said it was EXTREMELY difficult. Only 2 out of 14 people got it right in the other class! I'm still intrigued by it, though I doubt I'll be doing the round thing with DPNs YUCK!) or the square border one. NO WAY. Looked very nice though!

I also had a hot chocolate. Yum! :-)

― nathalie, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 10:04 (nineteen years ago)

I bought an amigarumi pattern book, because it was so cute! And some how to sew stuffed creatures book, and one how to make glove and sock animals.

I've read that once you can figure out what each symbol means in the crochet chart, you really don't need to be able to read Japanese.

Although I know a bookstore owner who knows Japanese, so maybe I'll show him my new books and see if he understands it.

― tokyo rosemary, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 11:54 (nineteen years ago)

Well, it's not the symbols, it's more the way the chart is read. They for example include the cast on row and read from right to left (at the start) and so on...

― nathalie, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

nath, your courses astound me.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 13:16 (nineteen years ago)

Urgh, I know what you mean. The point is that we don't really need to know this *now*, but see this as a longterm project. The teacher said that in a couple of years we'll suddenly *get* it. I know what she means: there's a certain logic to it, something that will hard for me to grasp because I have zero *insight* in these things. It's very highpaced, but considering what I learned so far, I'm certainly trying to hang in there. I really don't want to give up this course even though I not only want to enroll in a lacemaking course but also will have to deal with two kids. I have to realize that the course really pushes me (and the others). I don't think I'd even contemplate knitting a sweater if I hadn't taken this course. I'd probably still be knitting scarves or something. :-)

― nathalie, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 13:25 (nineteen years ago)

Here is the latest picture of my sock - I'm afraid it isn't a very good picture though. How is good knitting pictures made?!

― Sarah, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 13:40 (nineteen years ago)

Looks GREAT to me! (Picture AND sock.)

― nathalie, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 13:43 (nineteen years ago)

that sock looks excellent.

I've put away the sock for a minute as I'm now working on a kufi. and I'm going to switch back to wendy's toe up sock pattern which I tried before.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 13:46 (nineteen years ago)

Ladies, I sold my dish cloth on Etsy! And it was my only thing listed! I'm so excited!

I'm going to go home and whip some more out. I'm determined. I really ought to worik on those baby pants, though. Ugh.

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:26 (nineteen years ago)

hooray!!! congrats!! (do you mind saying how much you sold it for? also where did you get the pattern?)

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Ooo blimey - congrats! (erm though didn't you make it from a c0mmerc1ally available pattern like?! isn't that a bit, erm... you know... ahem, just saying like...)

Patita - email me if you want in on the secret pal thing! I'll hopefully stick up a questionnaire for all secret pallers to fill in tonight (zoe if you have suggestions mail them to me asap)!

― Sarah, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:28 (nineteen years ago)

Thank you! I sold it for $5. It was made of the uber-cheap Peaches'n'Creme cotton yarn (where the pattern can be found on the inside of the wrapper). $5 for 2 evenings' worth of tv-watching-while-knitting-and-sitting-on-couch is fine with me!

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:36 (nineteen years ago)

what is the usual protocal for selling stuff from someone else's pattern?

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:37 (nineteen years ago)

Oh, I don't think it matters, esp. if this pattern is sold with the yarn. Did I read somewhere that patterns aren't copyrighted?

Also, if I type it out, I'd be happy to email it to any interested parties. It's really easy.

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:39 (nineteen years ago)

Er dude... I think it does - copyright applies instantly once the work is created, practised, reduced to form, whether it is marked as copyright or not - I hate to be a party pooper esp as this is only like $5 USD but this can get pretty hot water... I am going on UK law here but I don't think US copyright law changes in this respect.

― Sarah, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:47 (nineteen years ago)

it's something I was wondering about b/c this pattern for kufi hats I found seems pretty easy and I figured if I could bust them out quickly they might be something to sell. But I figured I'd have to alter the original pattern somehow to make it my own.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:48 (nineteen years ago)

Ah - read this...

― Sarah, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:50 (nineteen years ago)

Haha! Sarah, I just found that as well. "It's not from a trusted resource," said the librarian.

# So-and-so really likes the (insert-the-project-of-your-choice-here) I made from a copyrighted pattern and s/he wants me to sell her/him this item. Can I?

* Here is the subtle difference. When money is exchanged, even among friends, you need to make sure that the designer allows this as indicated in the copyright notice of the pattern.

* Many patterns include a statement similar to "this item may not be made for sale" or "may only be made for your own personal use." Even if such a statement is not actually included in the copyright notice, you need to treat it as though it were included. You need to receive permission from the copyright holder before you can offer this item for sale.

* As a general rule, if So-and-so is asking or hiring you to knit an item for them while they purchase the copyrighted pattern and yarn, then this is OK. However, if you yourself first knit up an item from a copyrighted pattern and then offer it for sale, this is not OK.

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:52 (nineteen years ago)

Ok, the pattern I'm using was re-printed in the Mason Dixon Knitting book, and I can't remember (I've had NO coffee this morning) if they said it was just *that* pattern, or all patterns (hence the question mark).

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:54 (nineteen years ago)

I always assume when I see people selling knitted items it is from their own pattern.

― Ms Misery, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:55 (nineteen years ago)

Here's something to ponder: What if you modify the pattern a bit, like I *had* to, for my knit catnip mice? I do want to try selling those, and I've obv. modified the pattern. I should probably look at the etsy site.

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:56 (nineteen years ago)

The UK IP portal is trustworthy though and that's fairly concurrent with the site (it's a few google hits down from that one). If you REALLY want I can ask our specialist we have in the office today but erm, it would be a bit embarassing as he's super busy at the moment!

― Sarah, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 15:57 (nineteen years ago)

If it's a "substantial" difference (analguous to 'the novel step' in patents maybe?!) I think it's more okay and the copyright would rest with you... NB like, I am just making this up of the top of my head...

― Sarah, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

Bah. I'm not concerned, really, as the pattern is easily available, and I made it my own. I doubt I'm going to the knitting clink.

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:03 (nineteen years ago)

et voila

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:05 (nineteen years ago)

I totally want to make one! Although I have no cotton and am banning myself from obtaining more STUFF whilst making zero inroads into my existing stash (although that is being worked on mind)!

Gym tonight or straight home to knit. I wonder if one could knit on the treadmill. With a little bag...

― Sarah, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:10 (nineteen years ago)

I have SO MUCH cotton yarn, Sarah! And it's so cheap and wonderful! Well, if we get "hooked up" as secret pals at some point, you can guess what you'll get from me.

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 16:16 (nineteen years ago)

tokyo r/z: crafting japanese blog!

have you seen this? the stuff is really, really adorable.

― molly mummenschanz, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 18:39 (nineteen years ago)

If I knew how to knit, I'd knit with this:
http://images.etsy.com/all_images/6/63d/565/il_430xN.6795635.jpg

― Maria :D, Tuesday, 20 March 2007 22:25 (nineteen years ago)

Did I read somewhere that patterns aren't copyrighted?

Nope!

There are quite a few things on the interweb about copyright and knitting issues.

sarah: i am emailing you!

― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 01:46 (nineteen years ago)

oh! one of the books I bought I bought is on that site, molly, under tstuffed animals on March 8.

Oh man, maybe my Japanese speaking bookseller friend can help score me craft books deals.

― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 02:02 (nineteen years ago)

btw maria, that yarn is v v pretty :)

― tokyo rosemary, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:24 (nineteen years ago)

maria, learn to knit!

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:32 (nineteen years ago)

Sorry guys, didn't put up the questionnaire yesterday - got back in late after going to the gym and after I ate my fruit I checked the laptop and it started playing silly beggars about downloading updates to the anti-virus thing and running it's full system scan which took so long that by the time it had completed I forgot why I had turned on the computer in the first place and just watched another episode of Popular!

Hopefully tonight, the questions are all written up. Should I start a seperate Secret Pal rogue thread so as not to take over and clog this one dyer reckon?

― Sarah, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:46 (nineteen years ago)

if not everyone is participating perhaps they'd rather have a separate thread. we seem a pretty casual group though.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:48 (nineteen years ago)

I totally want to learn to knit, but when I tried before I had trouble with tension - the needle wouldn't go through the weave, and I wasn't sure whether it was my co-ordination or the wrong needle but it really frustrated me. Can I learn easily enough from a book or does someone need to show me? I can embroider and cross-stitch like a demon so it would be great to learn knitting and crochet. Plus I need a new crafty thing in my life.

― Mippy, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 16:40 (nineteen years ago)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/134/326360931_65fbad000d.jpg?v=0

This was my last project. If only because it's really hard to find a decent haberdashery in London that isn't John Lewis (which sells wool felt, but only in bulk).

― Mippy, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 16:47 (nineteen years ago)

Hi Mippy! Don't worry, everyone's tension is screwy when they're learning how to knit. My first attempt at knitting was a nightmare and I became terribly frustrated. It gets easier, though!

I'm not sure what the other ladies think, but I was quite fond of Stitch'n'Bitch when I was starting off knitting. The instructions make sense, as do the diagrams, which is something I can't say for all knitting books. Mind you, I had someone show me the ropes at work on lunch breaks, and then I took off on my own, thanks to S'n'B.

― molly mummenschanz, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 16:48 (nineteen years ago)

I have S'n'B, plus a really cool book of knitted wild animals that I bought when I administrated a library book sale. I'm sure they're actually really hard - Kath Dalmeny's World of Knitted Toys is the one. I think the pictures in it are what inspired me to learn, as I want my own menagerie :)

― Mippy, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 16:52 (nineteen years ago)

cool doll!

I taught myself first from a debbie Bliss book but taught myself wrong. A class fixed me up. From what I've seen of the SNB book, it's pretty clear.

I highly suggest starting out with large (not long, width-wise) non-metal needles and bulky yarn.

― Ms Misery, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 18:13 (nineteen years ago)

I actually would suggest watching a few online tutorials. Those are VERY clear. I like books, but they are mostly for when you're a bit more advanced (in my opinion). When you know what knit and purl is. That said, the S'n'B book is RAD.

I finished right panel of my cardigan. I realized I have a long way to go: sleeves and then seam together AND crochet around egde. But at least I can now also focus on baby garments. HURRAH

― stevienixed, Thursday, 22 March 2007 07:56 (nineteen years ago)

Attn Secret Pals... it's [b]Questionnaire Time[/b}! Knock yourselves out!

1. What are your favourite yarns to knit with? What fibres do you absolutely hate?
2. What are your favourite colours? Do you prefer solid colours, variegated yarns, self-striping, self-patterning – and which of these if any can’t you stand?
3. What are your favourite items to knit?
4. What do you use to store your needles and hooks in?
5. How long have you been knitting & how did you learn? Would you consider your skill level to be beginner, intermediate or advanced?
6. Do you have an Amazon or other online wish list?
7. Do you have a sweet tooth?
8. What kind of music do you like? Can your computer/stereo play MP3s? (if your buddy wants to make you a CD)
9. Do you have any pets?
10. What are you knitting right now?
11. Do you like to receive handmade gifts?
12. Do you prefer straight or circular needles? Bamboo, aluminium, plastic? And how do you stand on DPNs?
13. Is there anything that you collect?
14. What knitting magazine subscriptions do you have or regularly buy, and which knit books do you own?
15. Do you read knitting blogs? Which ones?
16. Are there any new techniques you'd like to learn?
17. Are you a sock knitter? What are your foot measurements?.
18. When is your birthday?
19. Any allergies or special circumstances (just in case)!

Please answer these on this thread, and mark them with your name and "secret pal questionnaire" for ease of finding. You will have next Thursday to complete the questionnaires and for any more people to get in on the Secret Pal if they want to. At that point, I will randomly match up Secret Pals who will use your questionnaire as a basis to send you PRESENTS during the next 6 months, up to a value of $60 USD/ £30ish / whatever that is in € (sorry nath, I can't think what the exchange is of the top of my head) - NOT including postage. This can be one big package, lots of little ones and can contain whatever you think your pal would like!

When you recieve your gifts, you MUST post on this thread (or whichever thread we're on I suppsose) with ideally a photo and description, and reaction to your gifts!

Let me know if I've missed anything out or if you want things cleared up...

― Sarah, Thursday, 22 March 2007 10:20 (nineteen years ago)

1. What are your favourite yarns to knit with? What fibres do you absolutely hate?

If they are so acrylic they crackle'n' pop I prefer to use these in my knitting class for exercises. I love Lana Grossa yarn. But truth be told, I'm not a connaisseur (yet). :-)

2. What are your favourite colours? Do you prefer solid colours, variegated yarns, self-striping, self-patterning – and which of these if any can’t you stand?

I have gone off the multi-colour yarns a little, but overall I like any type. It just depends on what project I use a yarn for. For baby clothes I prefer pastel colours, for winter adult projects I prefer brownish tints and for summer? Well, I haven't knitted long enough to figure that out.

3. What are your favourite items to knit?

It depends on the mood I am really. For a short period I loved blind knitting so I could ogle Jack Bauer (hur hur) so I knitted a baby blanket and a scarf while watching 24. But I also like knitting clothes.

4. What do you use to store your needles and hooks in?

I have a plastic case - Clover I think - in which I store most of my bamboo needles. My other needles in a crappy plastic case that is in a drawer. I really have to sort it out. Books and magazines? In a bookcase.

5. How long have you been knitting & how did you learn? Would you consider your skill level to be beginner, intermediate or advanced?

I learned to knit 'n' purl (and cast on) in school but quickly forgot about it. Last year, in the summer, I saw the first ILX knitting thread and was intrigued by it (as I had just cross-stitched a Miffy). I picked up a book or two - one of which was, to me, the sub par Knitting for Dummies. I quickly decided that I was so crap that I needed to enroll in a knitting course. Now I realize that maybe I overdid it with the course as it's extremely high paced.
I think I'm an advanced beginner, really.

― nathalie, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

6. Do you have an Amazon or other online wish list?

Yes, at Amazon.co.uk
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7. Do you have a sweet tooth?

Yes, but I'm trying to get rid of it. Now I'm obsessed with chocolate waffles.

8. What kind of music do you like? Can your computer/stereo play MP3s? (if your buddy wants to make you a CD)

Ever since having Ophelia I listen to a lot less music than I used to. I used to obsess over No New York, Fleetwood Mac and dEUS the most.

9. Do you have any pets?

Lucy, a basset artessien, who is an old nagging croaky bitch. I love her so much. She's 13 years old!

10. What are you knitting right now?

Lana Grossa cardigan and a Debbie Bliss baby cardigan. Some other trivial things that I can't remember. A shawl for Ophelia? Yes. Hmm.

11. Do you like to receive handmade gifts?

Oh yes!

12. Do you prefer straight or circular needles? Bamboo, aluminium, plastic? And how do you stand on DPNs?

If I could, I would stand on DPNs with a sledgehammer and a fire torch. I really don't like'em all that much but I realize I will have to learn to live (and knit) with'em.I prefer straight bamboo needles and if I can't get ahold of the right size, then straight plastic will do very nicely, thank you! Metal? Meh. Circular needles? Well, yes, if it's for a baby blanket or a collar, then I will gladly receive them from you. :-)

13. Is there anything that you collect?

Not really. I even managed to downsize my yarn collection (*waves at Sam*). I do have the knack of collecting too many books though. I loooooooooooooooooooooooooooove books. It's silly really cause I don't have proper storage for'em. I need to get myself a big ass library.

― nathalie, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

14. What knitting magazine subscriptions do you have or regularly buy, and which knit books do you own?
Uh, quite a bit really. Stitch 'n' Bitch. A couple of Debbie Bliss books. Knitting for Dummies (urgh!). Vogue knitting book. Some Japanese pattern books and ones by Hirose (?!?). I buy quite a bit of Lana Grossa and Katia pattern magazines. I also buy Simply Knitting from to time.

15. Do you read knitting blogs? Which ones?

I read knitting blogs but very randomly.

16. Are there any new techniques you'd like to learn?

hahahahahahha Where do I begin? Aside from lacemaking - the *proper* lacemaking - I would also like to learn lace knitting but I PH34R this is not for the foreseeable future. I just want to get the hang of knitting a proper sweater first! After that I want to learn how to read a pattern and be able to use a fancy stitch in a sweater. I would also love to knit accessories but after my first few attempts I realize that I have to learn not only how to knit a proper gauge, I also need to study counting/measuring properly.

17. Are you a sock knitter? What are your foot measurements?.

I'm a European size 40. Do I knit socks? Shit, I forgot to mention this in the previous reply, I want to learn this as well.

18. When is your birthday?

28th of October.
19. Any allergies or special circumstances (just in case)!

I'm allergic to work. That's about it really.

― nathalie, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:27 (nineteen years ago)

Shit, sorry, that was *moi*, Nathalie, for that Secret Pal Questionaire thingie. But you could kinda figure that out ey?

― nathalie, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:29 (nineteen years ago)

Hooray a questionairre!

1. What are your favourite yarns to knit with? What fibres do you absolutely hate?

I'm not a fan of non-mercanized cotton but other than that I love wool, soft acrylics and blends. worsted to bulky are good.

2. What are your favourite colours? Do you prefer solid colours, variegated yarns, self-striping, self-patterning – and which of these if any can’t you stand?

all of those are awesome! This is yarn we're talking about!

3. What are your favourite items to knit?

bags. want to learn socks.

4. What do you use to store your needles and hooks in?

jars, boxes, gallon zip lock bags. kitchen cutlery drawer. you know whatever. Do need a better system for circs though.

5. How long have you been knitting & how did you learn? Would you consider your skill level to be beginner, intermediate or advanced?

about 18 months, intermediate to advanced

6. Do you have an Amazon or other online wish list?

I have an amazon that needs to be updated.

7. Do you have a sweet tooth?
just ate some cookies. num.

8. What kind of music do you like? Can your computer/stereo play MP3s? (if your buddy wants to make you a CD)

I only listen to music on the 'puter. These days I pretty much just like hip-hop but I also have a fondness for old country and r&b.

9. Do you have any pets?
2 dogs and a cat. Used to have an iguana. :(

10. What are you knitting right now?
actively: kufi hats out of cotton

stalled:
toe-up socks out of some self-striping yarn Nath sent me
a Malcolm X tote out of Cascade 220;
Via Diagnole (bag) out of cotton;

11. Do you like to receive handmade gifts?

as much as I like to give them!

12. Do you prefer straight or circular needles? Bamboo, aluminium, plastic? And how do you stand on DPNs?

In order of pref: Circs, flexis, straight/DPNs - Bamboo, plastic. DPNs are an evil neccesity.

13. Is there anything that you collect?

Anything related to the movie Giant or Marfa TX, cacti, novelty uno cards, vintage feminine hygiene products (random and usless I know. I also love Hello Kitty and anything pink.)

14. What knitting magazine subscriptions do you have or regularly buy, and which knit books do you own?

no mags. :( I own a Debbie Bliss book (learning to knit), a vogue vintage pattern book and a few other random Half Price books.

15. Do you read knitting blogs? Which ones?

I love Mag Knits, Knitty and Grumperina of course. I also love Crazy Aunt Purl. tell me some good knitting rings to join!

16. Are there any new techniques you'd like to learn?

Continental. Illusion knitting.

17. Are you a sock knitter? What are your foot measurements?.

Would like to be. I wear a US women's size 8.

18. When is your birthday?

Dec 11

19. Any allergies or special circumstances (just in case)!

not to fibers thank god.

yay questionaire! Thanks Sarah!

― Ms Misery, Thursday, 22 March 2007 13:35 (nineteen years ago)

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