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They didn't always bundle them together, but if I recall correctly it has always used the QT engine (since it was renamed from SoundJam to iTunes). They must have used QT as the mp3 engine since 4.1 (October 16, 2003) which was the first PC/Mac version.

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:00 (twenty years ago)

Jody, you have a PC, yeah? If you want an older version of iTunes without all the video assery try here.

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:06 (twenty years ago)

it doesn't answer the question of why they make you reinstall QT in is entirety EVERY TIME rather than just whatever new files are necessary. there should at least be the option not to... it'd save some time.

alba: thx, will try it out later.

― My faxed joke won a pager in the cable TV quiz show. (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:07 (twenty years ago)

I have actually been using windows media player for mp3's of late. I was hesitant at first, but then I noticed a great feautre - the ability to search for a song within the player module! I use it very often. HOnestly its is just a blue version of itunes for the most part.

― Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:09 (twenty years ago)

If you're installing a new version of iTunes it's probably because they have to update the DRM for iTunes store songs. I seem to remember reinstalling a version of iTunes and being able to specify that I didn't want Quicktime to be installed at the same time. Then again I haven't upgraded my Windows version of iTunes for a while. My day-to-day iPod is connected to the library on my Powerbook.

― Greig (treefell), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:12 (twenty years ago)

i'm only bitching about disk space b/c my laptop has a pretty small HD, most of which i fill up with mp3s (and even though it's all backed up to an external drive, i like the convenience of having the music on my laptop).

― My faxed joke won a pager in the cable TV quiz show. (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:20 (twenty years ago)

Greg, otm, and also they're rapidly adding support for crazy shit like podcast meta info based on song position, etc.

Do you have a DELL?

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:30 (twenty years ago)

do i have a dell? no, a thinkpad.

― My faxed joke won a pager in the cable TV quiz show. (Jody Beth Rosen), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:42 (twenty years ago)

Thank god. Those are one of the few Pee See laptops I like. These are laptops for real men:

http://www.tadpolecomputer.com/html/products/mobile/bullfrog-dual/

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 15:47 (twenty years ago)

winamp is 5 mb. AND IT'S NOT SHITTY.

― fauxhemian (fauxhemian), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:09 (twenty years ago)

Best thing about that Winamp plugin = begin able to drag everything off other people's iPods. Fuck iTunes.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:11 (twenty years ago)

What are Winamp's minimum system requirements?
Minimum system requirements

500MHz Pentium III or comparable
64MB RAM
15MB Hard Disk Space
16bit Sound Card
Windows 98 SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP, Windows 2003
1x speed or greater CD Burner (Required for Burning)
2x speed or greater CDROM (Required for Ripping)
Recommended system requirements
1.5 GHz Pentium IV or comparable
128MB RAM
30MB Hard Disk Space
32bit Sound Card
Windows 2000, Windows XP
8x speed or greater CD Burner (Required for Burning)
16x speed or greater CDROM (Required for Ripping)

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Also, download size has very little to do with how much RAM stuff eats.

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Winamp was good up to version 2.82. Then it was poor.

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:13 (twenty years ago)

Uh, iTunes eats a ton of RAM on PC compared to Winamp. It takes ages just to open the fucking piece of shit. Thank the lord for Anapod.

― Colonel Poo (Colonel Poo), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:15 (twenty years ago)

I use iTunes for extended listening sessions (and ripping but not burning) and WinAmp if I just want to hear one or two things quickly.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:16 (twenty years ago)

iTunes does lack a mode where you can, like stevem says, just listen to one or two tracks. It's frustrating when it tries to copy everything to the music library, forcing you to hunt it down and delete it (worse when it's a poorly-tagged file).

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:20 (twenty years ago)

Winamp's user interface was designed by idiots. Anyone who keeps on using it when there are plenty of good players out there is insane.

http://www.foobar2000.org/

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:34 (twenty years ago)

Jon please come wave your dick in my face too

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:42 (twenty years ago)

"It's frustrating when it tries to copy everything to the music library"

TURN THAT OPTION OFF THEN.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 16:49 (twenty years ago)

yeah it was v easy to reject iTunes offer to mess with my existing setup.

Winamp interface is fine. Foobar2000 has a silly name and smells of wee.

― Konal Doddz (blueski), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:02 (twenty years ago)

http://www.home.zonnet.nl/y.van.der.meer/i/winamp-media-library.png

NEVERMIND THE AWFUL SKINS D00DZ MAKE EVEN

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:05 (twenty years ago)

Tech dudes be angry lolz
XPOST
WINAMP IS FINE IF YOU RUN AT 800X600 AND HAVE PERFECT VISION

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

I JUST XPOSTED .... MYSELF

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:06 (twenty years ago)

my itunes library structure is wuvly, and wuvs stevem (well base58.com) second only to "compilations" at the mo :-)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

MAYBE YOU SHOULD GIVE UP ON COMPUTERS IF YOUR EYES DON'T HAVE THE GONADS TO HANDLE WINAMP, MAN!

xpost

― Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:09 (twenty years ago)

TURN THAT OPTION OFF THEN

WHAT IF I WANT IT ON NORMALLY?

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:10 (twenty years ago)

god I hate WinAmp. Even though AOL bought them YEARS ago and had tons of mindshare and stuff they got stomped by iPod/iTunes -- originally a Mac only system -- in like a year!

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:11 (twenty years ago)

I love how passionate you people get about this.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:12 (twenty years ago)

Attack of the French!

I use WinAmp at work still because I can't install anything else.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:13 (twenty years ago)

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HOPE YOU DON'T HAVE A WOBBLY MOUSE OR YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO STAY ON THOSE TINY BUTTONS

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

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― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:15 (twenty years ago)

"Includes an MP3 of 'Saying Sorry' by Hawthorne Heights"

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:17 (twenty years ago)

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― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:19 (twenty years ago)

That's definitely the only competitor for iTunes out there.

― TOMBOT, Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:21 (twenty years ago)

"TURN THAT OPTION OFF THEN
WHAT IF I WANT IT ON NORMALLY?"

well if you want it BOTH ways, you can hold down apple key to temporarily over-ride that setting :-)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

while dragging in the mp3 i mean obv

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:23 (twenty years ago)

Alan, I kiss you

― steal compass, drive north, disappear (tissp), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:24 (twenty years ago)

i meant 'alt' (red face)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:30 (twenty years ago)

(which makes more sense really)

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

how do people organize their playlists? i've just started having lots of music on my computer and i've realized that making a new playlist for every album isn't going to cut it. it's way too much scrolling. but the prospect of making playlists for each genre - and worse, deciding what those genres are - makes my eyes bleed.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:31 (twenty years ago)

well in iTunes, you don't need to make album playlists. i make smart playlists based on genre and some other bits of metadata, then i review the results and tweak the genre cos values for that you get out of CDDB are next to meaningless.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:36 (twenty years ago)

USE THE BROWSER VIEW

YOU ARE ALL LIBERAL ARTS MAJOR MORONS. METADATA SMART PLAYLISTS ARE YOUR FRIENDS

I WISH I HAD FRIENDS :(

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:37 (twenty years ago)

Tom, you agree with me right? It is 100x awful

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:40 (twenty years ago)

it's always about the metadata.

― Britain's Obtusest Shepherd (Alan), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:42 (twenty years ago)

from your link jon: "The first thing I’ve done is organise my music into genre related playlists such as Indie, Dance, Chill etc. You could do this using a smart playlist and matching the genre to a specified keyword. However I find that the predefined genres tend to be pretty poorly defined."

indie. dance. chill. eyeball-bleeding followed by a degustatory self-immolation if you ever heard me using these fucking words near my music.

i may have to try browser view. the irksome thing about it, from my extremely limited trial runs, is that i don't want to remember that Pop Single #89 is from some random compilation, click on the compilation, etc.

― Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:43 (twenty years ago)

this thread is brilliant.

tracer i use a smart playlist with songs that i haven't played and another with songs i've played but not rated and i have them randomized.

then another with songs rated four or five, again randomized.

i never use genre for anything.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:44 (twenty years ago)

for finding anything in particular i just habitually use the search bar.

― Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

I certainly don't organize my shit that way as I have several hundred gigabytes but for fuck's sake USE THE BROWSER VIEW..

THERE IS A SEARCH BUTTON

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

xpost to sc

― R.I.P. Concrete Octopus ]-`: is a guy with a belly button piercing (ex machina), Tuesday, 21 March 2006 17:45 (twenty years ago)

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