someone's going to make a hilarious deck with this:
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/shadowofthegrave.html
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:01 (seven years ago) link
looks like it has the potential to cause mischief somewhere
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:05 (seven years ago) link
that looks like a card that does something in eternal formats if anywhere
― ciderpress, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:21 (seven years ago) link
very good with Contract from Below
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:41 (seven years ago) link
I think this is good:
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/hieroglyphicillumination.html
missed this card yesterday, think there's a potentially very fun Improvise deck brewing here. if I was still building Standard decks I'd take something like this to FNM
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/harvestseason.html
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:59 (seven years ago) link
With the cycling Shatter, a green Manic Vandal, and Shatterstorm x-spell, looks like there is a lot more Standard playable hate for artifacts
― Vinnie, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link
i think standard looks pretty grim if they drag their feet on banning saheeli combo again.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link
set is very interesting for limited on first look through. there's some extreme durdle/value but also hellbent aggro in red and huge efficient beaters in green. an the former might be string enough not to be totally crowded out by the latter. the uncommon 2U instant bounce tapped creature cantrip is going to be first pickable is my prediction, with things like the cartouches, but also all of these giant idiots that come into play way undercosted but make you put -1/-1s on your own stuff. there are a few 1/3s and 1/4s that may be in demand because of that theme too.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 14 April 2017 16:13 (seven years ago) link
i'm surprised at the raw volume of cards with cycling - last time they brought it back in alara i don't remember nearly this much
― ciderpress, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link
though they didn't do cycling-matters in that set iirc, it was just a smoothing mechanic there
― ciderpress, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
does seem like a 'cycling deck' will actually be a viable thing in draft
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
other observation is the common creature quality is really high - and in addition to that a few colors have an extra creature over what they usually do (black and red have an extra 2-drop, blue has an extra 3-drop).
― ciderpress, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
fall set is called Ixalan, sounds as if that'll be the mesoamerica-themed thing we saw fake booster art for previously
also GP Providence in september will be a release weekend event for it (team sealed)
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
makes sense, nice idea for a theme tho kind of funny right on the heels of amonkhet. also, i wonder how they are pronouncing that.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
oh cool I'm def gonna go to that gp
― iatee, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link
looks like the mtgo folks read the email i sent them about the uncommons, they're pretty thoroughly shuffled in this set
― ciderpress, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
ha!
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
apparently exert doesn't work with "attack with all" on mtgo. if you want to choose to exert you have to click attackers individually or else the option is not presented
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:05 (seven years ago) link
yeah it's not a trigger, it's just an additional choice you make when you declare attackers
― ciderpress, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
big shakeups in the eternal scene
― iatee, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
What changed that made top/miracles a ban target?
― Moodles, Monday, 24 April 2017 21:43 (seven years ago) link
miracles had been the best deck for a while, at least in the hands of experienced players
― ciderpress, Monday, 24 April 2017 22:46 (seven years ago) link
4-5 in my first Amonkhet sealed league. Thought it was supposed to be a friendly league ;_;
Exert made combat much trickier than I thought it would. Rather than figuring out what creatures should attack and what creatures should block, you have three states now. And exerting forces you to think a turn ahead. And then you have to do the same thing for your opponents creatures. I thought it would be straightforward, but there were several times I wasn't sure I was making the right play
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 11:49 (seven years ago) link
I don't play Legacy but I really hate Top, so good riddance
― frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 11:56 (seven years ago) link
miracles was the best deck for like 4 years straight, which is pretty unprecedented
I think it was mostly just them listening to people complaining though, I liked the legacy meta under pax miraclecana. it's probably going to be like souped up modern now.
― iatee, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link
top is the 2nd most miserable card ever printed and i approve of its removal from every format possible
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link
ok, what's the 1st
― frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link
mental misstep
the actual answer is probably shahrazad but that card is so miserable that it's banned in vintage which means it transcends any list placement
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
idk I think if you include MTGO then Top is way more obnoxious, it pretty much singlehandedly adds 5+ extra minutes to the match, can't think of another card like that offhand
personally I find Jace TMS the most miserable card to play against, I was so happy when that got banned
― frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
top in cube is particularly obnoxious. overall if my opponent is playing top i figure i am getting like +5% win equity at the cost of sitting through 10 minutes additional pointless fucking around time.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
top can be strong in cube in decks that look more or less like legacy miracles (lotta fetches, maybe some actual miracles)
the card is obviously very poorly designed, for sure. it's funny can any number of small tweaks (add a mana here or there, make the draw effect sorcery speed, etc.) would have made it a totally fine card, but in the end it's just a little bit too efficient.
― iatee, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
if you had to tap to do the Sylvan Library ability that would help too. a lot of my frustrations with the card had to do with the fact that I could never kill it. plus I remember a lot of "upkeep Top, crack fetch, Top again" where people would spend 2 full minutes before getting to their main phase.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
my one amonkhet discovery so far is that, because all of the cycling synergy stuff triggers off discard, the 1U sometime looter guy can potentially be strong in that archetype. effectively makes any non-creature spells you cast potentially count as a cycle, which could be very important for critical mass. just at common, that guy into the 2/3 sentinels that pump on discard is a p nice start
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link
I did one draft last night and opened the stupid dragon + lili so I 'did okay' but the one deck that scared me was a mono-cycling deck that really went off one game. I guess you try and dive into that deck if you open a powerful enabler early? I wonder how fringe it's gonna be.
― iatee, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 19:12 (seven years ago) link
drake haven is actually unbeatable unless you have one of the two enchantment removals in the set, both of which have cycling so the drake haven drafter is gonna cut them from other people if they're smart (they're also both white so if you're not playing that color then you're just screwed from the start)
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 19:21 (seven years ago) link
it's not quite pack rat but it feels similarly futile if they have it on t3
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link
That card is bonkers, yes. It basically reads "1U: drake" in the right deck. I Lay Claimed it because my opponent was going off, and still lost just to the two drakes he/she had already made
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 01:17 (seven years ago) link
i just had an opponent play it vs me and my immediate reaction was 'oh fuck i'm dead' and then they made a single drake with it over 3 turns and i was like 'oh phew they drew the wrong part of their deck to use it' and then they played sandwurm convergence and i died. quite the emotional rollercoaster
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 26 April 2017 01:26 (seven years ago) link
i just got hit for 24 on turn 4 in draft
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 27 April 2017 00:20 (seven years ago) link
did it involve that 4/1 mythic?
― iatee, Thursday, 27 April 2017 00:53 (seven years ago) link
Buh bye, Felidar Guardian.
― Moodles, Thursday, 27 April 2017 00:56 (seven years ago) link
it's the right thing to do but the optics are really really bad for them to not have done it on Monday.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:23 (seven years ago) link
they should just get rid of the set release B&R announcement and only have the mid-season one imo, makes everyone's job much easier
― ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:24 (seven years ago) link
Do you buy their explanation? I think people are generally happy enough that they'll look past or forget about the clumsy way it was handled.
Maybe they should just announce bans whenever they need to rather than worrying about a schedule.
― Moodles, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:28 (seven years ago) link
the schedule is important so that players can prepare for events appropriately
― ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:33 (seven years ago) link
i don't really buy the stated explanation, i think 2 days of mtgo data is not enough to base a decision on. i think they were planning to hit it in the next one in 6 weeks to be consistent with the previous B&R message about waiting until after PT Amonkhet, but the community pressure plus fear of a stagnant PT forced their hand.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:36 (seven years ago) link
Would be cool if we get a real wild assortment of decks at scgatl, will probably just be 50/50 Mardu and GB thiugh.
― Moodles, Thursday, 27 April 2017 01:40 (seven years ago) link
you'll see marvel too. ppl dont usually find radically new stuff before the PT unless its super obvious like drake haven or w/e
― ciderpress, Thursday, 27 April 2017 02:09 (seven years ago) link
this is my favorite deck i've drafted so far though sadly i hit the ass end of variance in the games http://i.imgur.com/MklfkLd.png
― ciderpress, Sunday, 30 April 2017 00:24 (seven years ago) link
This is my favourite sealed format I think I've ever played - you can do so many different things across all five colours and they all seem to work really well. The number of unbeatable cards is really small - like Rhonas, Glorybringer, Samut, Liliana, maybe the R/W gods or the Sphinx, but that's about it - nothing at rare.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Sunday, 30 April 2017 00:32 (seven years ago) link