I think this card will be quite good
― iatee, Monday, 10 April 2017 22:22 (seven years ago) link
it seems like drake haven is getting enough support to be a deck, without even seeing all the black cycling cards yet
― ciderpress, Monday, 10 April 2017 23:16 (seven years ago) link
I was gonna say, Censor looks like a card that will definitely get Standard play
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 02:09 (seven years ago) link
amused at all the people getting mad about the cycling force spike because it's not miscalculation. that's a pretty good card!
I know everyone on ilx etc etc but reddit really has been uniquely maddening this spoiler season, the particular blend of entitlement and metronome-regular getting every single card-evaluation wrong is so unbearable
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:13 (seven years ago) link
yeah the reddit MTG crowd is especially whiny. I mean most Magic online communities are but Reddit definitely seems a bit worse. Censor definitely looks like it'll see some play - it's worse than Miscalculation but I like that you can cycle it Turn 1 if you have a Turn 2 play, for example.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 14:20 (seven years ago) link
cool planeswalker design alert
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:03 (seven years ago) link
i wouldnt even look at the mtg reddit if it wasn't the board that's the fastest at getting all the preview card links in one place
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:05 (seven years ago) link
jk i would still look at it to read all the bad takes
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:06 (seven years ago) link
idk why nissa is blue now but that's at least an interesting pw card
interplay between the 1st and 2nd ability is super sweet design imo. should stay on the good side of swingy rather than the marvel side. just seems like it has a ton of play to it, strong but pretty balanced.
oh yeah, didn't even think about the blue. weird
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:08 (seven years ago) link
zombie lord looks decent. interesting having that at uncommon. zombie deck will be overdrafted every time, clearly has ackbar.jpg written all over it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:15 (seven years ago) link
yeah that Nissa design is cool, even if the ultimate is a bit underwhelming. Scry 2 is pretty interesting since you can't put either on the bottom for it to work with the 2nd ability. Also I was kinda wondering when they'd do a 'walker with an X in the cost
Green god looks awesome
― frogbs, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:26 (seven years ago) link
the ultimate is only underwhelming if you were expecting to be able to cast a 8 mana 'you win the game' or whatever, and that didn't work out so well with emrakul. it has to be something that doesn't auto-win.
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 15:28 (seven years ago) link
its more the fact that the lands revert at end of turn, you'd expect a Nissa ultimate to make them creatures permanently
that said it is kind of an instant 10 damage in a lot of cases, so maybe not so bad
― frogbs, Tuesday, 11 April 2017 16:06 (seven years ago) link
whoa Harsh Mentor seems like a pretty efficient combo killer and potentially maindeckable, if the environment's right
― frogbs, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 15:44 (seven years ago) link
doesn't trigger on planeswalker activated abilities :(
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
it's def gonna see legacy play, prob has some role in modern
― iatee, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
someone's going to make a hilarious deck with this:
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/shadowofthegrave.html
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:01 (seven years ago) link
looks like it has the potential to cause mischief somewhere
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:05 (seven years ago) link
that looks like a card that does something in eternal formats if anywhere
― ciderpress, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:21 (seven years ago) link
very good with Contract from Below
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 April 2017 13:41 (seven years ago) link
I think this is good:
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/hieroglyphicillumination.html
missed this card yesterday, think there's a potentially very fun Improvise deck brewing here. if I was still building Standard decks I'd take something like this to FNM
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/harvestseason.html
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 April 2017 14:59 (seven years ago) link
With the cycling Shatter, a green Manic Vandal, and Shatterstorm x-spell, looks like there is a lot more Standard playable hate for artifacts
― Vinnie, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:02 (seven years ago) link
i think standard looks pretty grim if they drag their feet on banning saheeli combo again.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 13 April 2017 17:28 (seven years ago) link
set is very interesting for limited on first look through. there's some extreme durdle/value but also hellbent aggro in red and huge efficient beaters in green. an the former might be string enough not to be totally crowded out by the latter. the uncommon 2U instant bounce tapped creature cantrip is going to be first pickable is my prediction, with things like the cartouches, but also all of these giant idiots that come into play way undercosted but make you put -1/-1s on your own stuff. there are a few 1/3s and 1/4s that may be in demand because of that theme too.
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 14 April 2017 16:13 (seven years ago) link
i'm surprised at the raw volume of cards with cycling - last time they brought it back in alara i don't remember nearly this much
― ciderpress, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link
though they didn't do cycling-matters in that set iirc, it was just a smoothing mechanic there
― ciderpress, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
does seem like a 'cycling deck' will actually be a viable thing in draft
― Roberto Spiralli, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
other observation is the common creature quality is really high - and in addition to that a few colors have an extra creature over what they usually do (black and red have an extra 2-drop, blue has an extra 3-drop).
― ciderpress, Friday, 14 April 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
fall set is called Ixalan, sounds as if that'll be the mesoamerica-themed thing we saw fake booster art for previously
also GP Providence in september will be a release weekend event for it (team sealed)
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:32 (seven years ago) link
makes sense, nice idea for a theme tho kind of funny right on the heels of amonkhet. also, i wonder how they are pronouncing that.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:40 (seven years ago) link
oh cool I'm def gonna go to that gp
― iatee, Tuesday, 18 April 2017 15:41 (seven years ago) link
looks like the mtgo folks read the email i sent them about the uncommons, they're pretty thoroughly shuffled in this set
― ciderpress, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
ha!
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 24 April 2017 18:50 (seven years ago) link
apparently exert doesn't work with "attack with all" on mtgo. if you want to choose to exert you have to click attackers individually or else the option is not presented
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:05 (seven years ago) link
yeah it's not a trigger, it's just an additional choice you make when you declare attackers
― ciderpress, Monday, 24 April 2017 19:19 (seven years ago) link
big shakeups in the eternal scene
― iatee, Monday, 24 April 2017 20:57 (seven years ago) link
What changed that made top/miracles a ban target?
― Moodles, Monday, 24 April 2017 21:43 (seven years ago) link
miracles had been the best deck for a while, at least in the hands of experienced players
― ciderpress, Monday, 24 April 2017 22:46 (seven years ago) link
4-5 in my first Amonkhet sealed league. Thought it was supposed to be a friendly league ;_;
Exert made combat much trickier than I thought it would. Rather than figuring out what creatures should attack and what creatures should block, you have three states now. And exerting forces you to think a turn ahead. And then you have to do the same thing for your opponents creatures. I thought it would be straightforward, but there were several times I wasn't sure I was making the right play
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 11:49 (seven years ago) link
I don't play Legacy but I really hate Top, so good riddance
― frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 11:56 (seven years ago) link
miracles was the best deck for like 4 years straight, which is pretty unprecedented
I think it was mostly just them listening to people complaining though, I liked the legacy meta under pax miraclecana. it's probably going to be like souped up modern now.
― iatee, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 15:24 (seven years ago) link
top is the 2nd most miserable card ever printed and i approve of its removal from every format possible
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 16:03 (seven years ago) link
ok, what's the 1st
― frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 17:43 (seven years ago) link
mental misstep
the actual answer is probably shahrazad but that card is so miserable that it's banned in vintage which means it transcends any list placement
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 17:57 (seven years ago) link
idk I think if you include MTGO then Top is way more obnoxious, it pretty much singlehandedly adds 5+ extra minutes to the match, can't think of another card like that offhand
personally I find Jace TMS the most miserable card to play against, I was so happy when that got banned
― frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:00 (seven years ago) link
top in cube is particularly obnoxious. overall if my opponent is playing top i figure i am getting like +5% win equity at the cost of sitting through 10 minutes additional pointless fucking around time.
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:11 (seven years ago) link
top can be strong in cube in decks that look more or less like legacy miracles (lotta fetches, maybe some actual miracles)
the card is obviously very poorly designed, for sure. it's funny can any number of small tweaks (add a mana here or there, make the draw effect sorcery speed, etc.) would have made it a totally fine card, but in the end it's just a little bit too efficient.
― iatee, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
if you had to tap to do the Sylvan Library ability that would help too. a lot of my frustrations with the card had to do with the fact that I could never kill it. plus I remember a lot of "upkeep Top, crack fetch, Top again" where people would spend 2 full minutes before getting to their main phase.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 18:32 (seven years ago) link
my one amonkhet discovery so far is that, because all of the cycling synergy stuff triggers off discard, the 1U sometime looter guy can potentially be strong in that archetype. effectively makes any non-creature spells you cast potentially count as a cycle, which could be very important for critical mass. just at common, that guy into the 2/3 sentinels that pump on discard is a p nice start
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 25 April 2017 19:09 (seven years ago) link