though i just realized that cycling is already a returning mechanic so nevermind
― ciderpress, Monday, 27 March 2017 17:13 (seven years ago) link
yeah wither makes more sense than persist. i very much hope they continue to have limited gps later in the season, really enjoyed what a caught of orlando
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Monday, 27 March 2017 18:10 (seven years ago) link
I like both new mechanics - both of 'em are things I've been wanting them to do for a while. Exert seems like it could be really skill-intensive.
― frogbs, Monday, 27 March 2017 18:18 (seven years ago) link
I'm ready for a set with clean, easy mechanics. Exert especially looks good. It has the signs of a mechanic that is fun and skill-testing, but not flashy. I think the Egyptian setting will be flashy enough anyhow
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 00:36 (seven years ago) link
I also like the idea of having a counter for Exerted, because I think it will be easy to forget
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 00:37 (seven years ago) link
crashed to earth somewhat with 2 drafts where i went into GR tokens decks splashing white after first pick anthems and went 1-2 both times. maybe unlucky but hated being so dependent on opening hand and when i did get a good start half the time i couldn't quite finish them off and sat waiting 5-6 turns hoping to draw gruul war chant while getting killed. i think being naya was the problem, the white just didn't contribute enough. if i tried again i would go hard for jund, would've traded thoctar for a falkenrath noble in a heartbeat.
however, managed to get back to winning ways afterwards with a UW peach, 6-0 in 90 mins: http://i.imgur.com/3mn4BHP.png
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 02:19 (seven years ago) link
just turn the card upside down
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 04:10 (seven years ago) link
You mean turn it left instead of right? I don't think it's easily showable like Detain was
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 10:49 (seven years ago) link
nah, like upside down, then you rotate it 90 degrees during your untap step. that's how we'd probably do it.
speaking of, one gripe I have about the new flashback/split cards is that the design only really works if you keep your library and graveyard to the right of the play area, which some left-handed players don't do.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 14:44 (seven years ago) link
after seeing the other mechanics i'm even more convinced that those are just gonna be one cycle of rares or so - without them there's already 3 keyword mechanics including a different flashback variant in embalm
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:01 (seven years ago) link
yea definitely - since both halves are likely to be related and you have to put the Aftermath text on all of them it really crimps their design space
― frogbs, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:04 (seven years ago) link
i'm also suspecting that they'll be the masterpiece inclusions from this set
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 28 March 2017 15:06 (seven years ago) link
Can I just
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 00:37 (seven years ago) link
I would actually switch over to utterly loving them if this happened, these cards in that frame would be actual perfection.
― Gravel Puzzleworth, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 00:39 (seven years ago) link
lol now that ive seen the masterpiece frame i can't even envision that anymore - also it seems that they're not all spells like i thought so the gods are in play as the boring choice
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 00:41 (seven years ago) link
art is astounding on some of these cards but i literally can't believe anyone signed off on these title/type lines. maybe on paper they will be more legible.
― Roberto Spiralli, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 01:53 (seven years ago) link
the wrath of god looks real good since the art palette matches the frame well and the rules text is short enough to look good centered, most of the rest im not fond of
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 01:56 (seven years ago) link
took me about a minute to determine if there were any actual letters on the Daze one
― Moodles, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:09 (seven years ago) link
somebody needs to be fired
― iatee, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:13 (seven years ago) link
Ah, I gotcha. Like detain, but in two steps. Think it's still more clear to use the token, if it's available
Man they had such a great opportunity with these card frames but the execution is so bad. too many different elements and fonts. it's like a 90's rap album cover
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:31 (seven years ago) link
I actually dig the new frame a lot. I mean it's definitely ugly and aesthetically questionable, but I like that they made something that looks so unlike a Magic card.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:35 (seven years ago) link
I'm fine with them outside of the unreadable lettering, some of the art is pretty cool, but these are such a huge step down from the inventions.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:48 (seven years ago) link
Oh yeah, I like how far out these are, but you can keep that and make these look much better. For example, the color bars on the sides are unnecessary for cards that are already so hard to parse. Just go all the way and ditch them to get the complete stone look, I say
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:54 (seven years ago) link
The art on most of these is excellent too. really dig the simplicity
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 29 March 2017 02:56 (seven years ago) link
aven mindcensor is in the actual set as well as the masterpiece version, nice. been a while since the last time they hit a futureshifted card
― ciderpress, Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:51 (seven years ago) link
Definitely an exciting inclusion!
― Moodles, Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
the color bars look like stone pillars to me. I like 'em
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 March 2017 18:53 (seven years ago) link
mindcensor is a really nicely designed card. not sure about the bump to rare tho.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 30 March 2017 20:04 (seven years ago) link
if it was a new card i don't think anyone would blink at it being rare - "hatebears" almost always are
― ciderpress, Thursday, 30 March 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
my god, I had no idea these went up to $10 a year ago. I have like 25 of them. Whoops
― frogbs, Thursday, 30 March 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
cycling duals very pushed
― iatee, Friday, 31 March 2017 15:02 (seven years ago) link
these look nice, coming into play tapped keeps them from being unreasonable
― Moodles, Friday, 31 March 2017 15:25 (seven years ago) link
holy shit
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 March 2017 16:23 (seven years ago) link
these seem better than the theros temples which were Very good in standard
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 March 2017 16:35 (seven years ago) link
scry lands were probably better for early game and these are probably better in the late game
― Moodles, Friday, 31 March 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
scry lands were good late game compared to pretty much every land except these
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 March 2017 16:51 (seven years ago) link
wonder why they gave 'em the basic types
― frogbs, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:06 (seven years ago) link
are there any standard-legal cards that would make these good search targets? can't imagine wanting to fetch these over other fetchable lands in other formats.
― Moodles, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:11 (seven years ago) link
no but I'm guessing there will be. I don't think they just do that randomly.
― frogbs, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:46 (seven years ago) link
basic land types make them play well with the SOI duals and i'm sure they'll be relevant with some future thing too
― ciderpress, Friday, 31 March 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
man this is the best i've done in a draft format since the last modern masters. i wonder if there is a reason or if it's just coincidence. anyway, i now have 8 trophies from 18 drafts, which is the amount i got in 3xKLD - i think my worst format to date - over ~60 drafts.
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:41 (seven years ago) link
roberto, are you still playing 100% online? I feel like you are probably good enough at this point that you could prob crush at some irl competitive limited events
― iatee, Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:45 (seven years ago) link
I always liked the tension with the previous cycling lands - play them early so that the tappedness isn't a problem, or hold them to get value later. This seems like it will be a very widely played cycle
― Vinnie, Saturday, 1 April 2017 02:54 (seven years ago) link
xp my results are pretty variable overall but i do have streaks. the sum total of my paper experience is playing occasionally with gentleman of this parish call all destroyer.
― Roberto Spiralli, Saturday, 1 April 2017 03:03 (seven years ago) link
boston kinda sucks for events bigger than FNM, everything is really far out in the suburbs
― ciderpress, Saturday, 1 April 2017 04:41 (seven years ago) link
there's a scg event in worcester next weekend actually. cider, any chance you're going? (I am.)
― iatee, Saturday, 1 April 2017 04:48 (seven years ago) link
not sure yet. not up to speed on legacy these days but might play the modern event on saturday
― ciderpress, Saturday, 1 April 2017 04:54 (seven years ago) link
I might play that if I flame out in legacy d1. I kinda want to build grixis shadow, looks fun, might want to play that in vegas.
― iatee, Saturday, 1 April 2017 04:58 (seven years ago) link
anyway if you're around you should hit me up
― iatee, Saturday, 1 April 2017 05:00 (seven years ago) link
http://media.wizards.com/2017/dw466ytu5_akh/en_3zm4wIPG70.png
i like how much cleaner this is than the theros gods while still being a similar mechanic
― ciderpress, Monday, 3 April 2017 15:00 (seven years ago) link