Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE)

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Ok- so I can understand that yes, state officials should have emergency plans. But for AT LEAST four days, it's been apparent that those plans fell through

Also, I can't remember where I read it today (possibly here) but Bush declared Katrina a federal disaster last Sunday which means that it's officially been the federal government's responsibility since then.

walter kranz (walterkranz), Sunday, 4 September 2005 04:50 (twenty years ago)

Insurgency?! What the fuck!?

Mike Stuchbery (Mike Stuchbery), Sunday, 4 September 2005 05:00 (twenty years ago)

Chertoff: Katrina Scenario Did Not Exist

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 4 September 2005 09:11 (twenty years ago)

"holocaust never happened"

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 4 September 2005 09:21 (twenty years ago)

"Category 5 Hurricane Determined To Strike On The Gulf Coast"

k/l (Ken L), Sunday, 4 September 2005 09:30 (twenty years ago)

note that CNN is actually calling him on his shit in the article.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 09:31 (twenty years ago)

Re: Chertoff.... that is absolute BULLSHIT! It blows my mind that he would make such a bald assertion that everyone knows is untrue!

badgerminor (badgerminor), Sunday, 4 September 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

cant help thinking that kanye was OTM in his observations.

okokok, Sunday, 4 September 2005 10:06 (twenty years ago)

It blows my mind that he would make such a bald assertion that everyone knows is untrue!

badger, remember that this fuck was a Repub legal tool during Whitewater, and also these five words: "Swift Boat Veterans For Truth"

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 10:09 (twenty years ago)

i know, i know... but it's up there with declaring the earth is flat in my opinion. Every time a hurricane rolls into the Gulf, the words on everyone's lips (at least in south Louisiana) is, "This could be the one that destroys New Orleans." FEMA has known about this potential scenario for many years.

Hardly anyone on the Gulf Coast will believe Chertoff. It seems like political suicide to make such an absurdly false claim when the media can smell the blood in the water. The man's career should be permanently destroyed for that statement alone.

badgerminor (badgerminor), Sunday, 4 September 2005 10:29 (twenty years ago)

Brendan Loy, who has been doing yeoman's work via his blog this past week, rips into Brown.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 4 September 2005 12:52 (twenty years ago)

the pres of jefferson parish on meet the press was devastating, the first time I've cried during all this.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 13:38 (twenty years ago)

No link to back it up, but I'm hearing that the Jefferson Pariah Pres (Aaron Broussard) is saying that FEMA and the National Guard cut the emergency communication lines that the local agencies were using…

carson dial (carson dial), Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:00 (twenty years ago)

yes, that's what he said on meet the press, that they put armed guards in to prevent the feds from cutting the lines.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:11 (twenty years ago)

Bastards! Okay, this is now virtually genocide.

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:30 (twenty years ago)

this is the best kos diary on the meet the press bit:
http://dailykos.com/story/2005/9/4/105148/3626

no video yet that I can find. I would definitely argue with the comments on that diary about Russert, I thought he was very sympathetic and angry but kept a calm face. Asking Barbour about the casinos--I took this as more of a line of questioning about economic stuff/insurance issues, possibly a way to 'get' Barbour on those issues. I'm predisposed to like Russert though, he's a lawyer and I admire the discipline this background brings to his questioning of guests.

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 14:37 (twenty years ago)

Transcript for MTP

carson dial (carson dial), Sunday, 4 September 2005 15:14 (twenty years ago)

God, even that Meet the Press transcript is frustrating. It's nice to see that the coverage elsewhere in the world stays focused on the real issue, plain and simple: this is the richest country in the world and people could not be bothered to deal with the problems with the levees beforehand and the emergency response after it happened was a goddamn joke.

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 September 2005 15:51 (twenty years ago)

here's the video:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/04.html#a4783

teeny (teeny), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:06 (twenty years ago)

until three or four days ago i wasn't aware of grover norquist. now he's one of my least favourite people in the fucking world.

funny how things work out, innit?

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:39 (twenty years ago)

That Crooks And Liars site is very good.

If this were Japan, these officials might have the decency to commit hari-kari.

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:45 (twenty years ago)

Mary Landrieu (regarding the evacuation of the prison in New Orleans and the sheriffs and whatnot swimming through the water with handcuffs in their teeth to collect and lead the prisoners to that highway overpass): "If one person criticises them (the Sheriffs on how they handled the operation) or says one more thing including the President of the U.S., he will be hearing from me. One more word about it after this show airs and I might likely punch him, literally."

Ian Riese-Moraine: Let this bastard out, and you'll get whiplash! (Eastern Mantr, Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:56 (twenty years ago)

Forgive my ignorance with the U.S. system - but is there any political mechanism in place to remove a president guilty of gross incompetence and/or dismal voter approval? Something like a non-confidence vote or anything?

Has anyone seen recent approval rating numbers?

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 4 September 2005 16:57 (twenty years ago)

Disapproval was in the mid 50s a couple days ago, but I haven't seen more recent numbers. Im sure that's shifted a bit.

Sadly once we foisted Bush on the rest of the world last November, it was for another 4 years. He can be impeached, but I'd highly doubt the Republicans (who control every single branch of government now) would do that.

Stuh-du-du-du-du-du-du-denka (jingleberries), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:16 (twenty years ago)

Fuck.

Thermo Thinwall (Thermo Thinwall), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:22 (twenty years ago)

Where was that quote from, Ian?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:24 (twenty years ago)

I'm looking forward to seeing the Department of Homeland Security punished with a dramatic increase in funding and a stern tongue-lashing.

Evanston Wade (EWW), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:40 (twenty years ago)

Jefferson Parish President, Aaron Broussard on MTP this morning, the video of this was heartbreaking.

kyle (akmonday), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:41 (twenty years ago)

Johnny Dupree, mayor of Hattiesburg MS, on CNN: [facetiously] "Who's FEMA?"

Andy_K (Andy_K), Sunday, 4 September 2005 17:48 (twenty years ago)

http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/LondonFreePress/News/2005/09/04/1201547-sun.html
"If the CIA slips me something and next week you don't see me, you'll all know what happened."- Mayor Ray Nagin

Fritz Wollner (Fritz), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:05 (twenty years ago)

Seriously, a U.S. senator really just said that she was going to punch Bush?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:07 (twenty years ago)

as billmon points out here, even bushco can be efficient when there's political advantage to be gained from it.

Eisbär (llamasfur), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:12 (twenty years ago)

Dutch viewer Frank Tiggelaar writes:

There was a striking dicrepancy between the CNN International report on the Bush visit to the New Orleans disaster zone, yesterday, and reports of the same event by German TV.

ZDF News reported that the president's visit was a completely staged event. Their crew witnessed how the open air food distribution point Bush visited in front of the cameras was torn down immediately after the president and the herd of 'news people' had left and that others which were allegedly being set up were abandoned at the same time.

The people in the area were once again left to fend for themselves, said ZDF.

here's the ZDF.de site. Can somebody look around in this? It's all in German. Colin? Ally?

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:14 (twenty years ago)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050904/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/katrina_washington

President Bush and first lady Laura Bush visited the Red Cross' disaster operation center, where they thanked employees. The president also announced that the White House would hold a blood drive on Friday.

"The world saw this tidal wave of disaster ascend upon the Gulf Coast," said Bush, who plans to return to the region Monday. "Now they can see a tidal wave of compassion."

gear (gear), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:24 (twenty years ago)

Oh yeah!!!!! ExTrEmE cOmPaSsIoN!!! ::surge::

pr00de descending a staircase (pr00de), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:28 (twenty years ago)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4213932.stm

EU and NATO asked for assistance. C4 news said it was for water trucks and ready meals.

Ed (dali), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:34 (twenty years ago)

"Now they can see a tidal wave of compassion."

I don't think he should be promising any more waves of anything, even metaphorically. How about a squeegee mop of compassion?

It's nice to see that the coverage elsewhere in the world stays focused on the real issue, plain and simple: this is the richest country in the world and people could not be bothered to deal with the problems with the levees beforehand and the emergency response after it happened was a goddamn joke.

A German guy called into the Brian Lehrer show in NYC a few days ago and made the same comment. He was like, "I can't believe you guys are even debating whether the response was adequate. The whole entire world can see your leaders are completely incompetent. First they screwed up Iraq, and now they can't even take care of your own people. I don't understand why you put up with it."

gypsy mothra (gypsy mothra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:39 (twenty years ago)

Dangerous Incompetence

A BUZZFLASH GUEST CONTRIBUTION
by Cindy Sheehan

George Bush has been an incompetent failure his entire life. Fortunately, for humanity, he was just partying his way through school, running companies into the ground and being an alcoholic and cocaine abuser for most of that time and his incompetence was limited to hurting the people who worked for him and his own family. The people in his life who were hurt by his incompetence probably have been able to "get on" with their lives. Now, though, his incompetence affects the world and is responsible for so many deaths and so much destruction. How many of us did not foresee the mess he would make of the world when he was selected the first time? We saw what he had done to Texas. How many of us marvelled and were so discouraged and amazed when he was "re-elected" the second time? We saw what he had done to the world. Dangerous incomptence should never be rewarded, let alone be rewarded so handsomely as in George's case.

The Camp Casey movement has been struggling with how best we can help the government ravaged people of New Orleans and the surrounding areas. We sent a bus load of supplies into Covington, La., which is a poor, African-American town across Lake Ponchartrain from New Orleans. I had the privilege of visiting Covington with my friends, Buddy and Annie Spell last July. It was a community filled with love and laughter.

The Bring Them Home Now Tour bus that went into Covington is the VFP Impeachment Tour bus that I rode in and out of Crawford on. They took about 10,000 pounds of leftover Camp Casey supplies and we had 2 trucks filled to the brim with leftover water that we got into Covington. The tour bus also has satellite so it is the only communications that Covington has with the outside world now.

This is an email that our tour received from Gordon who is one of the bus drivers who bravely drove to Covington . I left it intact without editing:

I can't recommend coming here but, if you must, we do need help! During the
> day we are going out into the community with water and baby supplies lunch
> foods. But, there has been an attack on the Armory and the cops are scared.
> We have move into Covington middle school and we are giving the red cross
> our assistance with medical supplies and food services. Until we arrived,
> they only had MRE's. They just brought in 5 new borns babies from the
> hospital as they are expecting more casualties, We brought in a generator
> and solar powered lights, no power, no phone service here, our satellite
> link is the only connection to the outside. The Marshal Law enforcement
> that will be coming to New Orleans with the Army, could create mass panic.
> that will lead to more refugees, we have twenty right now and room for 100.
> Don't come here unless your are prepared to work!.
>
> I should say, stay out on the road and raise money for the relief effort.
> But make up your own minds.
>
> We need to keep the public aware of what is going on here and all over
> SOLA,
>
> I you want to help go an established refugee camp and provide your
> internet access to document who it there and what they plan to do to the
> website. Use your satellites access to maximize the story of the relief
> effort!
>
> Gordon
>

There it is.

I think we should finish the tour so we can talk about what an abject failure this administration is. The unnecessary tragedy in New Orleans is directly related to the unnecessary tragedy in Iraq: Unnecessary being the operative word.

Innocent people are dying daily in this world. In the crush of the hurricane story, the fact that 950 people (mostly women and children) were trampled to death in Iraq was buried in the back sections. Those are 950 people who would still be alive if George Bush were not president. 950 people in Iraq and how many thousands in the Gulf States died while the emperor strummed a guitar and knocked a golf ball around? Additonally, eight of our brave and wonderful soldiers have been needlessly killed in Iraq since Monday.

I really believe that George and his band of incompetent and dangerous thugs need to resign. It would be the only honorable and competent thing to do. But wait…

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/05/09/con05318.html

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:40 (twenty years ago)

oh, here's Cheney, or at least where he'll be on next friday. Guess he's been makin' all them phonecalls to line this up.

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 18:42 (twenty years ago)

and with that post:

Katrina's POLITICAL aftermath (keep the political discussions HERE) (666 new answers)


kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:17 (twenty years ago)

'Who are we if we can't take care of our own?'
Maureen Dowd, New York Times columnist

(This makes me think of Hillel, but the echo seems subtle enough that I wonder if it's intentional.)

Rockist_Scientist (RSLaRue), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:19 (twenty years ago)

a view from scotland.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:30 (twenty years ago)

Some who stayed behind were survivalists and gun nuts, seeking out social disaster to allow them to exercise their skills.

man, Interdictor got covered over there, too. One of the popular topics of discussion on SA(where he was a poster, and where I lurk), the "what would you do if zombies attacked/post-apoc/Mad Max scenario" thing is a popular topic of discussion. if you're a survivalist and you're suddenly presented with a very real chance to go play, yer gunna take it.

in related news, Lowtax is now fighting with PayPal to release the $28K he raised for relief efforts. They locked the account yesterday for "suspicious behavior."

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:47 (twenty years ago)

re: that Cheney article

Alex Swann, spokesman for McLellan, said when the deputy minister invited the vice-president last year she asked not simply to visit Canada but Alberta and the oilsands.

“So energy is going to be the focus of the discussion of the whole visit.

Does he ever have anything on his mind other than oil? oh, yeah -- scaring people with the spectre of another terrorist attack. given that the gov't has proven to be utterly unprepared, incompetant and blind to the facts, i suppose he's right on that account, though.

my name is john. i reside in chicago. (frankE), Sunday, 4 September 2005 19:57 (twenty years ago)

nagin still looks pissed off.

renegade bus (Jody Beth Rosen), Sunday, 4 September 2005 22:10 (twenty years ago)

yeah, it's probably a good thing at this point that they didn't give him his own sidearm...

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 22:14 (twenty years ago)

Hurricane Katrina Relief for Musicians

kingfish superman ice cream (kingfish 2.0), Sunday, 4 September 2005 22:19 (twenty years ago)

from an International Herald Tribune article on the front of nytimes.com:

A proposal to detach the Federal Emergency Management Administration from Homeland Security is to be introduced this week in Congress. Some critics say that the Homeland Security takeover of FEMA added a harmful layer of bureaucracy.

Others have questioned the FEMA leadership of Michael Brown, whose background in law, finance and public service includes no prior emergency-management experience.

I do hope that they split out FEMA. The DHS seems -at least right now- to be an oversized, bumbling beauracracy. I fly a LOT (30,000 miles so far just since January), and so my primary contact with them is with the TSA at the airports. I'm so unimpressed with the mess that they have made out of airport screening, that I can't imagine that they're any more competent on more complicated problems. Airport screening should be simple- you're dealing with a lot of people and luggage, but it's not rocket science. But I read a lot of stories of knives and guns getting through, and there was the episode earlier this summer where they lost some explosives used in an exercise- they were inserted into an actual passenger's luggage, and the screener didn't catch them, so they went all the way to europe (and I beleive were never found). If they can't handle that kind of work, why are we expecting them to be able to handle something crazy complex like disaster recovery efforts?

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:03 (twenty years ago)

Oh year, article URL:

http://nytimes.com/2005/09/04/national/nationalspecial/04cnd-bush.html

lyra (lyra), Sunday, 4 September 2005 23:05 (twenty years ago)


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