I've come around on lynch btw
― brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 01:02 (seven years ago) link
I'm sure he's relieved
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 01:30 (seven years ago) link
I thought they just met on the plane because she seems like one of those excruciatingly naive and eager ppl who wd just make friends with other nice ppl on a plane for no reason?
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:00 (seven years ago) link
Also standard lynch trope of nicey-nicey white America feeling horribly creepy and staged
― brat_stuntin (darraghmac), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:08 (seven years ago) link
I'm coming over to this grandparents thing.
They didn't meet on the plane because the plane and the old people we see aren't real, they are a fever-dream. So the old people are likely to be people Diane thinks of often.
Now I have that suggested to me it makes little sense that they are just "old people" because they are likely to be people she knows well in her real past.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:22 (seven years ago) link
But everyone's roles in her fever dream are mixed up - so why would her actual grandparents be sn exception
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:24 (seven years ago) link
And why would she be flying on a plane w her grandparents and then ditch them to go stay at her aunt's.
I don't think they're an exception, I just think that people turn up in your dreams that you're close to but not in the relationship you have them in in your daily life.
― Heavy Doors (jed_), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:29 (seven years ago) link
While her grandparents are not 100% confirmed, it's a possibility - and comes up in many interpretations of the movie. Another one here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0166924/faq
It's Lynch - I think you can read it either way, his movies are good for that.
― Carlotta's Portrait (Ross), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 02:34 (seven years ago) link
ok in the first 2h of the movie they're she met on the planein ✌️️"real life"✌️️ yeah idk they're prob her grandparents, w/e
― Fluffy Saint-Bernard (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:00 (seven years ago) link
I never bought the dream/real life distinction where this movie is concerned. I think it's about the interaction of Hollywood archetypes, powers & players (first 2/3) and the movie that eventually results (last 1/3).
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:39 (seven years ago) link
i think this movie was about Oliver North
― waht, I am true black metal worrior (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:43 (seven years ago) link
you do not
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 03:44 (seven years ago) link
I never bought the dream/real life distinction where this movie is concerned.
there's literally a part where a character says "time to wake up" and everything is not dreamy anymore
― kurt schwitterz, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:49 (seven years ago) link
yeah, but see above
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
not dreamy, still boring
― mark s, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:53 (seven years ago) link
i shouldn't say i reject the fantasy/dream vs. ugly reality interpretation. that story's obviously present & central. i don't think it's sufficient, and it bothers me that it's treated as the film's one and only meaning.
― Not raving but drooling (contenderizer), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 17:58 (seven years ago) link
It kinda bothers me that it fits the film so well, though. I've come to prefer Inland Empire, which is much more open to multiple satisfying interpretations, imo.
― Frederik B, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:46 (seven years ago) link
still the most coherent thing I've read about tit: http://www.salon.com/2001/10/24/mulholland_drive_analysis/
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 14 March 2017 18:54 (seven years ago) link
obv it doesn't matter if The Parts Don't Fit Together considering the movie comprises connective material fleshing out a scrapped TV pilot.
mulholland drive is good, fuck the haters
― mh 😏, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 20:07 (seven years ago) link
Lost Highway is finally available to rent on Amazon instant video. I've been wanting to watch that movie for years, but it's never been available on streaming.
― how's life, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:41 (seven years ago) link
prepare to be disappointed
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:44 (seven years ago) link
I really like it, but it has its flaws like any Lynch film.
― Moodles, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:48 (seven years ago) link
It's near the bottom of the pile for me, just above Wild At Heart.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 March 2017 21:50 (seven years ago) link
OTM Οὖτις, Lost Highway is the Lynch film that is guilty of everything idiots think all Lynch films are guilty of.
― lilcraigyboi (Craigo Boingo), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:05 (seven years ago) link
Lost Highway does a surprisingly good job of capturing the mood and tone of the 90s, for a work from a director that makes films that seem detached from any specific time period
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:06 (seven years ago) link
went on a first date to lost highway when it was out in theaters, biiiiiiiiiiiig mistake
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:07 (seven years ago) link
LH doesn't surpass its promising opening credits or Bill Pullman playing furious sax in that club. The rest is self-parody, down to Robert Blake in Dean Stockwell makeup.
― the Rain Man of nationalism. (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link
stick with meshes of the afternoon, only 18 mins long -- it didn't need remaking
― mark s, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:13 (seven years ago) link
I can't argue either of those points. I, too, thought "wow, fake Dean Stockwell!" the last time I saw it. xp
― mh 😏, Wednesday, 15 March 2017 14:14 (seven years ago) link
Watched the remaster on the big screen last night for the first time since release and the film really benefits from it. Hard to see what the new print actually adds - there's a far greater distinction between the film quality in daylight/studio and low light (particularly the car driving around), but some scenes look like they were broadcast on TV, never mind filmed for it.
I hadn't paid attention before to Betty explicitly revealing the plot three times in the first phase. I've forgotten the third one but when she enters Ruth's apartment for the first time she says to Coco "It's like some kind of dream" and then when she and Rita go to phone the police about the car accident she says "We can do it. We can pretend we're other people."
Diane sees The Cowboy two times. According to his conversation with Adam, this potentially means she's "done bad".
― Mud... Jam... Failure... (aldo), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 14:04 (seven years ago) link
ya not to mention her crawling into bed and falling asleep being one of the first shots of the movie
seeing this in a theater made me realize how incredible the sound editing is, so much skillful silence
― he not like the banana (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 14:08 (seven years ago) link
These are pretty much the exact arguments re: the first 30 minutes of FWWM being Cooper's 'dream' (scare quotes because I don't think Lynch's use of dreams is straightforward enough to refer to instances like these as 'just a dream').
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 14:16 (seven years ago) link
This is far and a way my favorite Lynch film. It's his funniest, most suspenseful, most affectionate, most purely entertaining movie—every scene is just a joy, even the ones that barely connect to the other ones. I remember wanting to clap when I first saw it in theaters and the cowboy instructed us to count how many times we saw him. So fun.
Very much enjoying the new TP season because it feels structurally similar. Just a succession of disconnected scenes that are so good on their own I don't even care how they all fit together.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:27 (seven years ago) link
Saw it in a theater a couple weeks ago and I was blown away. Last saw it in 2007 right before Inland Empire. So much better than I remember.
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:31 (seven years ago) link
I don't want to jinx it somehow, but yeah, new TP is closer to Mulholland Drive as a reference point than nearly anything else
― mh, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
yeah, and since the disconnected scenes end up sorta making sense in retrospect, it rewards close and repeated viewings - i think that'll be the case with the new TP as well
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:34 (seven years ago) link
glad i rewatched this right before the new twin peaks, it prepared me for the mood way more than fwwm did. incredible film incidentally
― ToddBonzalez (BradNelson), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
i watched inland empire again a few weeks ago and had the same feeling. MD+IE+Eraserhead+his early short films seem like the biggest influences on new twin peaks. oh yeah, and old twin peaks too obv :)
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:38 (seven years ago) link
Yeah I think that's part of why Mulholland Drive has aged so well. The more you watch it the more it makes sense, but it'll never make complete sense. Even when you think you've cracked its logic, it still seems kinda scrambled. There are still pieces that don't fit. And there's something addictive about that sense that order is always just out of reach.
The original Twin Peaks had that, too, a fairly linear structure and interpretation with some untidy ends to keep you guessing, but Mulholland Drive and the new Twin Peaks are packed so much denser. There's a lot more to chew on.
Lost Highway and IE made it too easy to dismiss certain scenes as "oh he's just being weird," but Mulholland Drive and the new Twin Peaks deny you that shortcut.
― Evan R, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:43 (seven years ago) link
IE is too long and my memory too short to get into into specific scenes, but i think a lot of the parts that people dismiss as lynch being a weirdo could conceivably have something to do with the plot. i read a really, really long analysis/theory of IE once (published in the classic 1998 internet style) that covered everything in exhaustive detail.
i need to watch lost highway again soon, it's been too long!
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:50 (seven years ago) link
but yeah, i get your point about IE making it really easy to make those dismissals, which is too bad. lynch almost seems to be begging people to be confused at certain parts of it, whereas MD kind of dangles the mystery just out of reach at all times.
― Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link
I haven't seen Lost Highway recently enough to defend it, but Inland Empire is less oblique than Mulholland Drive imo.
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:51 (seven years ago) link
Wild at Heart is the one I'd call out for being intentionally obtuse and weird for its own sake. I already kinda felt that way but the deleted and extended scenes in the Lime Green set (which made clear the extent to which Lynch intentionally edited a lot of clarity out of the film) cemented that notion.
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:54 (seven years ago) link
xxp Yeah, exactly. To be sure, I don't doubt that each scene in IE had meaning and significance. But a general interpretation was so far out of reach on that one that the message became "don't even bother." That movie loses the audience before it even earns one.
But you compare that to Mulholland Drive, which immediately draws you into mysteries... car crashes, amnesia, movie casting intrigue, romance... there was so much to cling to there, your mind is engaged the whole time. By the time the twist hits in the final act you're too vested in the movie to just throw your hands up
xp Old Lunch that is the most contrarian thing I have read online in a while. You really think so?
― Evan R, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:55 (seven years ago) link
Maybe he does that more often than I realize (thinking just now of the scene in the Missing Pieces that makes Laura's 'I am the muffin' line in FWWM just a little less out of left field).
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:56 (seven years ago) link
WaH is his worst film
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:57 (seven years ago) link
― Evan R, Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:55 AM (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Which, about IE being more straightforward than MD? If so, then yeah. I was able to shake out the general thrust of IE's 'narrative' after seeing it twice. MD took a few more viewings.
― human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 15:58 (seven years ago) link
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, May 23, 2017 10:57 AM (forty-nine seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
100% agreed. I think I even prefer Dune.