Bill Maher - classic!

CPAc got S&S to renege on a six figure book deal? I think there's a couple things going on here, with objections landing from both far right and mainstream media.

he was bad on tv.

othing he said on Maher torpedoe'd him - it was the CPAC Reagan Brigade or whatever they're called. Now, maybe they were so pissed about his Maher appearance that that motivated them to action, but I'm not clear what he did on the show that would have provided that motivation.

The right doesn't mind anti-semitism and hate of Muslims so long as you're not a pedophile or named Mark Foley.

they were cool w Denny Hastert though, cuz he didn't brag about it

or proselytize about it or whatever Milo thought he was doing

that was the largest general tv audience milo's had yet, no? testing ground for whether he can step outside his niche. it didn't go so well.

you guys are acting like randos who watch late night tv keep up with the guests' public statements prior to the show.

since when is CPAC concerned about mainstream appeal

also feel like a lot of his "power" or influence or whatever is/was illusory. he was never considered a real major figure among the alt-righters who always seemed to just tolerate him or at best consider him an outsider bringing good attention to their movement, but he was an outsider there too. getting thrown out of breitbart surprised me a little but i guess their hardcore audience probably has a lot of homophobia among them so it wasn't such a big deal to jettison him.

xp

...he lost a book deal with Simon & schuster

CPAC and the Breitbart "deep state" (sorry sorry) already probably hated him for obv reasons but he was good business for awhile within their still-evolving platforms

a lot of the power of the alt-right brigade comes from Twitter, they get out of their internet persona cocoon and they wilt imo. i have no idea what most of these guys are like in person, but i doubt they've got anywhere near the confidence or charisma of, god help me, an ann coulter or rush limbaugh.

it's telling imo that a lot of these guys are still hiding behind anonymous avatars in their chosen venue. when ppl start proudly associating this shit w/ their rl identities is my personal mark for when i'm going to start really worrying.

Forgot to finish this thought

he was bad on tv.... which has ruined a lot of nascent careers, regardless of other circumstances

Maher's not wrong to take credit for his (probably) temporary setback. The hangman doesn't need to shout and protest, he just needs to provide the rope.

This argument works in theory, but anyone who actually saw the broadcast (and the post-show segment, in particular) saw Maher encouraging, normalizing and even defending him. I get allowing an extreme idea to be floated for the purposes of generating discussion, but that's not what Maher--with his calling trans people "weirdos" and calling Milo's position on bathroom laws (that they could lead to sexual abuse of women and young girls) "not unreasonable"--was doing. All he really called Milo out on during the show was his support of Trump.

http://i.makeagif.com/media/6-26-2015/X2b_Cj.gif

xxp yea that was what surprised me about his appearance. I get that Maher's trying to have extreme and provocative people on the show, but Milo just doesn't have anything to say. He's just the dude spray painting the N-word on the side of the school.

The timeline goes: Goes on Maher, gets invited to CPAC, shit gets leaked, loses book + Breitbart. Unless Milo going on Maher had something to do with either him getting invited to CPAC, or the Reagan site turning on him and circulating his comments, Maher didn't have shit to do with anything.

and crypto's right, there are so many viewers of this stuff who always think "truth is somewhere in the middle" so when you got liberals squaring off with literal Nazis or people like David Duke then yeah, there are some not-so-good undertones there. Maher was incredibly soft on him, even calling him out on his Trump support is dumb since it's apparent he only cares about Trump insomuch as it riles up liberals.

what was Milo's book going to be titled?

The Kids are Alt-Right?

shit gets leaked

from what i understand the appearance on maher has to do w/ this ^

How?

that video was in the public domain before the appearance

maybe called it to their attention? or inspired them to post it? tbph i don't really remember what causal links i saw and i could be misremembering them

Hm. Even the NYT story where Maher claimed shit got leaked due to him had no mentions of any link.

jindal otm, thats def what this felt like. not ready for the bright lights

why maher stayed out of his way I dunno, it seems in keeping with the way he used to run his show, regardless it was effective here because it neutralized the UNFAIR UNFAIR victimhood these guys crave

i think the old school GOPers have always despised the alt right types but were more tolerant of them until recently. MY going on Maher was some kind of symbolic moment, where he was being presented perhaps inadvertently as the new face of the GOP, and i can see that as having been a tipping point where they said ok enough, we've got to get him outta there. i think it was a combo of them being fearful of his ascendency and sensing it was the right time to strike, because more people were witness to his repugnance.

so is Maher taking credit for Milo simultaneously getting booked by CPAC *and* subsequently immediately getting dropped from CPAC? that doesn't make sense. If CPAC hadn't booked him (and it's entirely likely they were already planning prior to the Maher appearance) then obviously they weren't offended by anything he did on the show. It wasn't until CPAC booked him that the backlash happened.

xp

if anyone involved w CPAC has commented on MY's Maher appearance, seems like that would be relevant. But I haven't seen anything like that.

maybe Maher's argument is that CPAC wouldn't have booked MY in the first place if he hadn't just been catapulted to worldwide fame by virtue of appearing on his shitty-ass show, that does seem like the kind of thing Maher is inclined to believe about himself.

Yeah, if someone were annoyed at Milo taking over the GOP, wouldn't him being at CPAC be much more dangerous than him going on Maher?

wasn't the announcement that milo would be at CPAC a surprise to the other attendees and presenters? ie finagled through unusual channels, so already precarious? maybe I'm making that up

regardless this all happened so fast amongst so many interested factions that trying to fix a specific sequence of cause and effect is probably misguided. the maher appearance went badly and a bunch of people pounced. maher took credit cuz that's what he does. imo treating milo with kid gloves took away one of the alt right's favorite victimization strategies, so maher's justified to that extent, whether it was purposeful or just kismet between two dumbass bigots.

MY going on Maher was some kind of symbolic moment, where he was being presented perhaps inadvertently as the new face of the GOP, and i can see that as having been a tipping point where they said ok enough, we've got to get him outta there

otm

did not remotely think the shitbag's comments on sex were "endorsing pedophilia"

do many of you have any close gay male friends? ask em

I can't think of a single one of my friends who would say something besides "thank god that asshole is finally going down" or "who?"

did not remotely think the shitbag's comments on sex were "endorsing pedophilia"

do many of you have any close gay male friends? ask em

― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, February 22, 2017 6:56 PM (thirty-three seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Seriously? Have you seen the whole video? The bit where he talks about Hollywood parties?

"whole video," no -- life is short.

I read this, which seemed thorough:

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/02/what-well-tolerate-and-what-we-wont

btw having the thing for teenagers is "ephebophilia"

I knew this would come in handy:

https://youtu.be/TB9fwJDweaU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJhHwspZGcg

it's worth watching, five minutes in he describes parties with Hollywood types and young boys but doesn't want to name names because "discretion"

"An Open Secret" documentary goes into that territory ^

I hadn't seen the interview or read exactly what he said until now and I can't believe THAT is what got him in hot water.

From the article Morbs linked to:

It’s not, on the face of it, an unreasonable explanation. Yiannopoulos may not have made his point very well. But there’s something nuanced and defensible here. First, he’s saying that the relationships between gay men and teenage boys (according to their own accounts) have historically been messier than simple categories allow for. And second, it’s absurd to say that he can’t make dark or crass jokes about his priest if it’s his way of dealing with what happened to him.

Yiannopoulos has quickly found out which ideas will actually get you booted from the public square, and they’re left-wing ones rather than right-wing ones. It turned out the real people you can’t offend are the conservatives whose latent homophobia make them instantly pounce on a gay man as a defender of pedophilia when he tries to explain his world to them. How fitting that Yiannopoulos should end up subjected to the very kind of vicious misrepresentation of LGBT people that he has spent his time encouraging. How appropriate for him to discover that his friends on the right only supported him so long as he nurtured their prejudices; they loved their campy gay mascot until the moment he challenged them. Then he was a pervert.

xp... I didn't read about the "Hollywood parties" stuff, but I also hadn't seen it in pieces critical of him

(also didn't know he was English until just now)

he's also made of cockroaches

Milo (like Trump) could get away with saying a lot more if he wasn't such an asshole. Like, it's hard to convey a nuanced message when shock and awwww-shit! is your claim to fame.

Sean O'Neal with a pretty good summary:

http://www.avclub.com/article/milo-yiannopoulos-enabler-bill-maher-says-youre-we-250820

Yiannopoulos’ swift fall from bubbling-under cultural force to future guest at The Gathering of the Juggalos

this is an odd thing to say

yeah it's well known by now that Juggalos are total SJWs

https://twitter.com/wyatt_privilege/status/834399728519426048

Bill Maher is trash

Yiannopoulos’ swift fall from bubbling-under cultural force to future guest at The Gathering of the Juggalos

I think is referring to Tula Tequila's booking at the event previously. And Charlie Sheen, probably.