Bill Maher - classic!

“it was never going to be enough for that slice of liberalism that would much rather judge a friend than engage an enemy, because it’s easier.”

didn't seem like you engaged him too much tbh

LOL maher is so horribly predictable

the alt-right

https://twitter.com/wyatt_privilege/status/834399728519426048

something else for bill and milo to bond over

https://twitter.com/2dammuslim/status/834411710966403073

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something else for bill and milo to bond over

no but see when old women have sex w boys it's HOT, when old men have sex w boys it's GROSS AND WRONG

makes perfect sense

also Rollins response there is otm

http://ind5.ccio.co/5C/i2/m1/acf62c853db5590dff8da776813fa0ec.jpg

so hot

I remember watching that. Can't believe I'm gonna do this, but

That's pretty much the host's job: stake out one of the more extreme positions, get everyone het up and arguing, make them define their position as best they can. Rollins does well.

Haven't watched PI in literally 15 years until Milo but I think Maher's not wrong to take credit for his (probably) temporary setback. The hangman doesn't need to shout and protest, he just needs to provide the rope.

i've heard from at least 2 places that the maher appearance was the impetus to leak the pedophilia comments and destroy milo's career. whether he should take credit for that as though that were his intent is maybe a different question but i think he's probably right on the principle of sunlight + disinfectants, esp if it turned out to be true that this particular sunlight (again, whether or not Mahler was planning on playing the role of Mr. Clean) did help disinfect.

how do you leak something that's public

nothing he said on Maher torpedoe'd him - it was the CPAC Reagan Brigade or whatever they're called. Now, maybe they were so pissed about his Maher appearance that that motivated them to action, but I'm not clear what he did on the show that would have provided that motivation. He was p much his usual assholish self, it's not like he staked out any new positions beyond the pale or anything.

maybe they were just appalled at how very GAY he came across, he was basically Stefan from SNL

maher had him on because they are both whiners about political correctness, both transphobes (maher dropped a "trans people are weirdos" line during the interview), and - probably their biggest similarity - huge islamophobes.

nothing he said on Maher torpedoe'd him - it was the CPAC Reagan Brigade or whatever they're called. Now, maybe they were so pissed about his Maher appearance that that motivated them to action, but I'm not clear what he did on the show that would have provided that motivation. He was p much his usual assholish self, it's not like he staked out any new positions beyond the pale or anything.

Seems p OTM to me.

CPAc got S&S to renege on a six figure book deal? I think there's a couple things going on here, with objections landing from both far right and mainstream media.

he was bad on tv.

othing he said on Maher torpedoe'd him - it was the CPAC Reagan Brigade or whatever they're called. Now, maybe they were so pissed about his Maher appearance that that motivated them to action, but I'm not clear what he did on the show that would have provided that motivation.

The right doesn't mind anti-semitism and hate of Muslims so long as you're not a pedophile or named Mark Foley.

they were cool w Denny Hastert though, cuz he didn't brag about it

or proselytize about it or whatever Milo thought he was doing

that was the largest general tv audience milo's had yet, no? testing ground for whether he can step outside his niche. it didn't go so well.

you guys are acting like randos who watch late night tv keep up with the guests' public statements prior to the show.

since when is CPAC concerned about mainstream appeal

also feel like a lot of his "power" or influence or whatever is/was illusory. he was never considered a real major figure among the alt-righters who always seemed to just tolerate him or at best consider him an outsider bringing good attention to their movement, but he was an outsider there too. getting thrown out of breitbart surprised me a little but i guess their hardcore audience probably has a lot of homophobia among them so it wasn't such a big deal to jettison him.

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...he lost a book deal with Simon & schuster

CPAC and the Breitbart "deep state" (sorry sorry) already probably hated him for obv reasons but he was good business for awhile within their still-evolving platforms

a lot of the power of the alt-right brigade comes from Twitter, they get out of their internet persona cocoon and they wilt imo. i have no idea what most of these guys are like in person, but i doubt they've got anywhere near the confidence or charisma of, god help me, an ann coulter or rush limbaugh.

it's telling imo that a lot of these guys are still hiding behind anonymous avatars in their chosen venue. when ppl start proudly associating this shit w/ their rl identities is my personal mark for when i'm going to start really worrying.

Forgot to finish this thought

he was bad on tv.... which has ruined a lot of nascent careers, regardless of other circumstances

Maher's not wrong to take credit for his (probably) temporary setback. The hangman doesn't need to shout and protest, he just needs to provide the rope.

This argument works in theory, but anyone who actually saw the broadcast (and the post-show segment, in particular) saw Maher encouraging, normalizing and even defending him. I get allowing an extreme idea to be floated for the purposes of generating discussion, but that's not what Maher--with his calling trans people "weirdos" and calling Milo's position on bathroom laws (that they could lead to sexual abuse of women and young girls) "not unreasonable"--was doing. All he really called Milo out on during the show was his support of Trump.

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xxp yea that was what surprised me about his appearance. I get that Maher's trying to have extreme and provocative people on the show, but Milo just doesn't have anything to say. He's just the dude spray painting the N-word on the side of the school.

The timeline goes: Goes on Maher, gets invited to CPAC, shit gets leaked, loses book + Breitbart. Unless Milo going on Maher had something to do with either him getting invited to CPAC, or the Reagan site turning on him and circulating his comments, Maher didn't have shit to do with anything.

and crypto's right, there are so many viewers of this stuff who always think "truth is somewhere in the middle" so when you got liberals squaring off with literal Nazis or people like David Duke then yeah, there are some not-so-good undertones there. Maher was incredibly soft on him, even calling him out on his Trump support is dumb since it's apparent he only cares about Trump insomuch as it riles up liberals.

what was Milo's book going to be titled?

The Kids are Alt-Right?

shit gets leaked

from what i understand the appearance on maher has to do w/ this ^

How?

that video was in the public domain before the appearance

maybe called it to their attention? or inspired them to post it? tbph i don't really remember what causal links i saw and i could be misremembering them

Hm. Even the NYT story where Maher claimed shit got leaked due to him had no mentions of any link.

jindal otm, thats def what this felt like. not ready for the bright lights

why maher stayed out of his way I dunno, it seems in keeping with the way he used to run his show, regardless it was effective here because it neutralized the UNFAIR UNFAIR victimhood these guys crave

i think the old school GOPers have always despised the alt right types but were more tolerant of them until recently. MY going on Maher was some kind of symbolic moment, where he was being presented perhaps inadvertently as the new face of the GOP, and i can see that as having been a tipping point where they said ok enough, we've got to get him outta there. i think it was a combo of them being fearful of his ascendency and sensing it was the right time to strike, because more people were witness to his repugnance.

so is Maher taking credit for Milo simultaneously getting booked by CPAC *and* subsequently immediately getting dropped from CPAC? that doesn't make sense. If CPAC hadn't booked him (and it's entirely likely they were already planning prior to the Maher appearance) then obviously they weren't offended by anything he did on the show. It wasn't until CPAC booked him that the backlash happened.

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if anyone involved w CPAC has commented on MY's Maher appearance, seems like that would be relevant. But I haven't seen anything like that.

maybe Maher's argument is that CPAC wouldn't have booked MY in the first place if he hadn't just been catapulted to worldwide fame by virtue of appearing on his shitty-ass show, that does seem like the kind of thing Maher is inclined to believe about himself.

Yeah, if someone were annoyed at Milo taking over the GOP, wouldn't him being at CPAC be much more dangerous than him going on Maher?

wasn't the announcement that milo would be at CPAC a surprise to the other attendees and presenters? ie finagled through unusual channels, so already precarious? maybe I'm making that up

regardless this all happened so fast amongst so many interested factions that trying to fix a specific sequence of cause and effect is probably misguided. the maher appearance went badly and a bunch of people pounced. maher took credit cuz that's what he does. imo treating milo with kid gloves took away one of the alt right's favorite victimization strategies, so maher's justified to that extent, whether it was purposeful or just kismet between two dumbass bigots.

MY going on Maher was some kind of symbolic moment, where he was being presented perhaps inadvertently as the new face of the GOP, and i can see that as having been a tipping point where they said ok enough, we've got to get him outta there

otm

did not remotely think the shitbag's comments on sex were "endorsing pedophilia"

do many of you have any close gay male friends? ask em

I can't think of a single one of my friends who would say something besides "thank god that asshole is finally going down" or "who?"