The Coddling Of The American Mind (Trigger Warning Article In The Atlantic...)

Yeah I am more critical than most leftish ilxors of the tendency toward "no platforming" but at a certain point you have to draw a line in the sand. Milo is trying to inflame bigotry and now his antics have the implicit backing of the president.

Yeah, the Milwaukee shit alone should make every university cancel him. Yes, freedom of speech, but they also have a duty to defend their students, and a guy known for siccing hordes of followers at his enemies getting on stage and calling out other students, is insanely dangerous.

totally, particularly since that uw-milwaukee stunt was live-streamed on breitbart,

milo was planning on calling out supposedly undocumented berkeley students by name as well. dude is a scumbag nightmare (who looks like a half-deflated macaulay culkin blowup doll).

should have buckets of shit poured on top of him at every appearance

I saw the vid of the woman in the trump hat getting pepper sprayed by one of the so-called "ninjas." I don't support that, I guess.

let's put it this way - I wouldn't go up to a dude and say "hey, that lady in the Trump hat? go pepper spray her", but I'm done caring about anything that happens to Trump supporters nor will I condemn any damn thing anybody does to them

yeah same p much. they made their bed, they have to lie in it

i considered writing "if you voted for Trump, you're my enemy" on FB today and realized only two people on my list would care cos I'm p much conservative repellant

Won't someone protect the precious trump supporters they are totally defenseless and persecuted w no access to the avenues of power oh wai

These are ppl that advocate institionalizing racial discrimination and ethnic cleansing fuck them

As i was saying to my daughter this morning the key ethical difference between our side's potential violence and theirs is that theirs is directed at ppl solely on the basis of identity (ethnic, religious, etc) and ours is directed at ppl based on their expressed ideology. To put it in massively simplified terms.

As soon as your denying other people's right to simply exist, you have exiled yrself from the protections of civil society imo.

Typing on a phone probly not ideal for cogently arguing my point here...

But basically if u break the social contract u don't get to turn around and claim the protections of the social contract

right, which is why we should give all criminals the chair, ban extreme religions that treat women and other groups like inferiors, and monitor everyone's correspondence to know where their ideologies actually lay. glad to see you have a reasonable political opinion for once dog.

Those are state actions. I'm talking about personal behavior of private citizens. The state must operate along different principles.

For ex that dude that punched Spencer - that was assault, he should be arrested and charged etc. That's the law. However, i also believe punching spencer was morally defensible.

that's why they wear their ninja costumes

I'm talking about personal behavior of private citizens. The state must operate along different principles.

don't worry they will

gandhi is mad @ all u guys

two wrongs don't make a right etc

i think the chancellor got it rigbt

right

gandhi was weak on terror

it's true + he did not always treat his family well

we acknowledge that these rights are inalienable except for ppl who didnt vote the way we wanted lol

here are two parts of the chancellor's statement i like

Mr. Yiannopoulos is not the first of his ilk to speak at Berkeley and he will not be the last. In our view, Mr. Yiannopoulos is a troll and provocateur who uses odious behavior in part to “entertain,” but also to deflect any serious engagement with ideas.

violent behavior on the part of protestors also helps deflect any serious engagement with his ideas

second part

Milo Yiannopoulos ... has been invited to speak on campus by one of our registered campus organizations, the Berkeley College Republicans (BCR). Like all student organizations, the BCR is a separate legal entity from the university, and it is technically the BCR, and not the university, that is the host of this upcoming event ... from a legal perspective, the U.S. Constitution prohibits UC Berkeley, as a public institution, from banning expression based on its content or viewpoints, even when those viewpoints are hateful or discriminatory. Longstanding campus policy permits registered student organizations to invite speakers to campus and to make free use of meeting space in the Student Union for that purpose. As mentioned, the BCR is the host of this event, and therefore it is only they who have the authority to disinvite Mr. Yiannopoulos. Consistent with the dictates of the First Amendment as uniformly and decisively interpreted by the courts, the university cannot censor or prohibit events, or charge differential fees. Some have asked us whether attacks on individuals are also protected. In fact, critical statements and even the demeaning ridicule of individuals are largely protected by the Constitution; in this case, Yiannopoulos’s past words and deeds do not justify prior restraint on his freedom of expression or the cancellation of the event.

ty chancellor for helping cya and mine

the bit about critical statements and demeaning ridicule sounds pretty hint-hint to me

I saw the vid of the woman in the trump hat getting pepper sprayed by one of the so-called "ninjas." I don't support that, I guess.

― Treeship

same, blowdarts or gtfo

The Covering of the American Ass

some of you have stared too long into the abyss.

^keep an eye on this one

one peaeye

In fact, critical statements and even the demeaning ridicule of individuals are largely protected by the Constitution; in this case, Yiannopoulos’s past words and deeds do not justify prior restraint on his freedom of expression or the cancellation of the event.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQEvWJ_VEAEyDbx.png

http://www.dailycal.org/2017/02/07/violence-self-defense/

Last week, a violent protest erupted on campus, in response to a scheduled speaking event by Milo Yiannopoulos. Many people soon began to decry the protesters. Here are a few arguments in favor of the use of violence in protests.

quite a few

https://psmag.com/antifascists-have-become-the-most-reasonable-people-in-america-92525aceabd5#.4pzgrix22

The antifa banner features black and red flags, signifying an alliance between anarchists and communists. What unites these two groups (who have been known to kill one another from time to time) is a commitment to confront and defeat fascists and white supremacists by whatever means necessary. It’s a coalition that has existed for as long as fascism has; the Italian Arditi del Popolo (People’s Squads) rose to fight Mussolini in 1921, even when the Socialist and Communist Parties refused to support them. In 1924, anarchist lumberjacks allied with the Industrial Workers of the World waged a “drawn battle” with a Ku Klux Klan recruitment drive in Greenville, Maine. American anti-fascists have been fighting a mostly quiet conflict with domestic Nazis at punk rock venues and small white-nationalist gatherings for decades, but, as fascists have snuck their collective jackboot into the curved door of the Oval Office, the struggle has reached the mainstream.*

soooo, there have been anti-fascist sleeper cells in the u.s. since the 20's? talk about underground.

http://societyandspace.org/2017/02/14/the-discomfort-of-safety/

After trying to read that, I need a space safe from scare quotes! Sheesh...

Seen that Antifa are trying to get Marduk shows cancelled. They said that they have white supremacist ties.

feel kinda bad cos I just saw them. isn't that largely Magnuss "Devo's" fault anyway

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1361348427256383&id=1136688033055758&__tn__=%2As

I don't know how antifa are organized or if you can blame them for pages like this
https://m.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=988567004597985&id=988558524598833
But is Pure Holocaust the only Immortal album not allowed. Summoning and Darkthrone? Seems badly researched.

http://www.metalblast.net/blog/the-blm-boycott-marduk/

metal band trying hard to be offensive offends the easily offendable, who would have thought

they have white supremacist ties

They're wearing Trump neckwear on stage?

what would we do baby
without Jews
sha la la la

The white supremacist ties thing is probably bullshit. Haven't found anything that backs it up.

The free speech thread is a clusterfuck so I thought I'd use this one to bring up the issue of Andrew Potter losing his position as Director of the Institute for the Study of Canada at McGill (but not his position as a prof) after writing an admittedly dopey column in Maclean's about the purported social malaise of Quebec. (The traffic fiasco does reveal some serious issues but I'm really not sure that 'social alienation' is one of them.) I'm not sure what I think about this situation: the uni tweeted something right after his piece was published, distancing themselves from his writing, which might be inappropriate. I'm not entirely clear on what his position at ISC entailed, tbh, but idk if writing a dumb column is reason to lose it (although it's not totally clear yet what happened). Hébert and Coyne take different positions.

This tweetstorm was a decent critique of Hébert, I thought.