TS: "Silence of the Lambs" vs. "Seven"

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the william petersen character? i never thought of that! (xp)

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

god hannibal is just stunningly bad

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:03 (twenty-one years ago)

manhunter is terrific btw! i won't make the old brian-cox-is-better argument but he IS great. and i love petersen in that movie "you just sat here, didn't you, you bastard! you sat here and watched her..."

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

hannibal is at least stupidly ridiculous unlike that red dragon piece of shit

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:04 (twenty-one years ago)

no Peterson is a different character than Crawford.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

i still can't believe rattner had the gall to make that movie

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:05 (twenty-one years ago)

seven is a miserable exploitation film. the story is senseless, the "theme" doesn't work. it looks like an episode of the x files.

silence of the lambs was pretty boring too.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:07 (twenty-one years ago)

But Alan GWYNETH PALTROW'S HEAD etc etc

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:08 (twenty-one years ago)

Every movie should end with Morgan Freeman finding Gwyneth's head in a box. Think of how that would have punched up "13 Going On 30".

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

Silence is boring? Also, not only is Jodie Foster as Clarice Starling HOTTTT, but she's an inspiration to all us Appalachian hill people.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:09 (twenty-one years ago)

yknow i'm pretty sure gwyneth paltrow's head ends up in a ups box in that stewardess flick too dan

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:10 (twenty-one years ago)

i agree about the desert scene in se7ev being over the top. but 2 scenes in that are absolutely brilliant:

the scene where they are interviewing the fellow who had the "knife dildo" strapped to him - he's wrapped in a blanket and totally hysterical. that is some of the bast bit-part acting i think i've seen.

and the creepiest thing i've ever seen in a movie is when they find the "sloth" victim. he looks 100% dead, almost fake, and all of the sudden wakes up, coughing and thrashing about. that scarred the living fuck out of me. i watched it just a few days ago and considered starting a thread about how that scene totally makes my skin crawl like nothing else i've ever seen in a film.

― dyson (dyson), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:11 (twenty-one years ago)

AWESOME

(xpost dyson OTM)

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

that cough is a fucking GREAT scare

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:12 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd wanna revisit Silence and Seven again before critiquing them (I remember enjoying them both, but not sure if I would now), but the Scorcese version of Cape Fear is complete shit. ESPECIALLY when compared to the original.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:15 (twenty-one years ago)

come on dude the cigar scene.

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:16 (twenty-one years ago)

both of those scenes are revolting. the writers should be ashamed.

the original Cape Fear is fantastic. scor-sees version is OK, it's different, but i'm fine with that.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

but what about Joe Don Baker getting whacked?!

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:17 (twenty-one years ago)

I'd definitely admit that Nick Nolte gave a more human performance than Gregory Peck in the original (who wouldn't?) and I wholly endorse the appearance of Joe Don Baker in a movie (x-post ESPECIALLY getting wacked), but otherwise feh, repulsive, idiotic, cheesy, etc. DeNiro's concept of acting in that is a lot like a 5-year-old's concept of karate after seeing 3 Ninjas.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

the original cape fear really isn't all THAT good

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

by the time DeNiro's strapped himself to the bottom of the Jeep, I couldn't stop laughing.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:18 (twenty-one years ago)

I've never seen the Cape Fear remake, pretty much only because of my intense love for the original. I don't see how anyone, even de Niro, could be better at that part than Robert Mitchum.

― n.a. (Nick A.), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:19 (twenty-one years ago)

I actually prefer the TV edit of Cape Fear to Scorcese's VISION because it has less pointless gore and cuts down on those oh-so-loveable rape-the-family scenes.

Robert Mitchum was SO GOOD.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

has anyone seen the robert mitchum big sleep?

― s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:21 (twenty-one years ago)

"Hmmm, well I lack the subtlety to copy Mitchum...MAYBE AWL QUOTE FROM DAH BAAAAHBLE LIKE DIS!!!"

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:22 (twenty-one years ago)

Scorcese needs to understand that incoherent bible references and the incorporation of an "everyone is guilty" theme don't necessarily appeal to people who aren't ex-catholic maverick directors making a quick cash-in from Disney money.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:23 (twenty-one years ago)

Manhunter was better than Red Dragon in my opinion. Tom Noonan v. Ralph Fienes. Noonan every time. Plus Manhunter had Shriekback!

― Velveteen Bingo (Chris V), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:26 (twenty-one years ago)

The original Cape Fear is ALL that good. The remake is unwatchably bad (although it is still probably better than Seven.

― Alex in SF (Alex in SF), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:28 (twenty-one years ago)

While I have some issues with all David Fincher movies (the man has to fetishize EVERYTHING on the screen, esp. problematic in Fight Club), there's a level of detail to the storyline and characters that is not evident in Cape Fear. I credit this to the PSU grad that wrote the script.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:30 (twenty-one years ago)

(Anthony, please tell me you've seen The Night of the Hunter. I mean, I'm sure you have, but if you haven't, YOU NEED TO.)

― n.a. (Nick A.), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I think his name is Andrew Kevin Walker. He actually came back to PSU to do a Q&A right after I got out of film school. I heard it was hilarious because he didn't actually get a film degree here and all he could tell kids was to be really talented and that film school here was a joke unless you want to spend the rest of your life plugging and unplugging things (or doing something that requires a similar hand gesture) (his words not mine).

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:31 (twenty-one years ago)

I've seen it more than once, Nick, becuz I too realize how badly people I know HAVE to see it.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:32 (twenty-one years ago)

WOAH! TYPO! My words not his. He was kinder.

― CeCe Peniston (Anthony Miccio), Friday, 27 August 2004 14:33 (twenty-one years ago)

Wow...this thread woke up and took off

The one old man with a flattop who is the funeral parlor owner (he's been in some David Lynch stuff, not sure of his name) is fantastic.

Ain't that the same dude in Repo Man who claims that "John Wayne was a Fag!" and flies away with Otto in the car?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:06 (twenty-one years ago)

nope! you're thinking of Tracey Walter.

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:07 (twenty-one years ago)

Oops. Thanks, Stence.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:16 (twenty-one years ago)

On a side note, I'm going to be a bachelor for two weeks in September. How does one suggest a fap?

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

Start a thread!

― VengaDan Perry (Dan Perry), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

http://i.imdb.com/mptv1.gif

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:17 (twenty-one years ago)

xpost you're getting divorced then remarrying?!?

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:18 (twenty-one years ago)

yeah what is this 'bachelor for two weeks' thing? do you and the ol lady have an arrangement like on curb your enthusiasm or something?

― cinniblount (James Blount), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:19 (twenty-one years ago)

Nah, Peg and the baby are going to visit her folks for a bit. No divorcing. But, it's my chance to (a) catch up on my film-going, (b) catch up on my band-seeing and (c) re-connect with people I've long since fell out of touch with due to my dadly duties.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:20 (twenty-one years ago)

dude make sure wifey doesn't find out about c!

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:21 (twenty-one years ago)

God, you people are slimey.

― Alex in NYC (vassifer), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

sorry dude!

― hstencil (hstencil), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:23 (twenty-one years ago)

I KNOW this is nitpicky and snobby, but reading the divine comedy and (esp) paradise lost won't tell you a thing abt how or why to kill a bunch of ppl, nor get you 'into the brain' of a dude who did. and you couldn't read thru them in one evening anyway! so, library scene in seven - points off. if you want to be snobby and nitpicky.

― g--ff (gcannon), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:30 (twenty-one years ago)

nitpicky! massive plot hole ahoy more like.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

"Silence" is much smarter and more nuanced, but the ending is terrible, and it did help transform the serial killer into some sort of hip camp hero. "I'm having an old friend for dinner," hrhr. Having the characters act directly into the camera is a neat trick, and the lighting/score/etc is all ace. Technically, it's every bit the equal of "Seven."

But "Seven" is ultimately far more effective in that rarely does it ever feel like an entertainment. Both films are rooted in b-movies, but there have been few fantastical movies since "Seven" - or before, for that matter - that have been that totally bleak and visceral. Its horror is almost stifling. I mean, "Nil By Mouth" is a much more effective horror film than "Seven," but it trades in verisillimitude. "Seven" is pure comic book style yet remains pretty potent stuff.

― Josh in Chicago (Josh in Chicago), Friday, 27 August 2004 15:33 (twenty-one years ago)

surefire way to break up any serious situation: "oh yeah, was she a great big fat person?" in the buffalo bill voice

This is a comedy staple around my house.

Silence all the way. Lecter gets all the attention, but the movie is really about Clarice; I've watched it at least a dozen times now, and am ever more impressed with the way that it reinforces and builds on its theme of a woman navigating a perilous male environment, with Buffalo Bill as the ultimate threat--a ruthless predatory male looking to conquer and consume/assume feminity itself. It just gets deeper and deeper. Among the many reasons Hannibal sucked ass is that it's about him, not her.

Se7en is great, and in many ways more hardboiled and unerring than Silence, but it's a glorified genre picture at root. Nothing wrong with that, but Silence has more going on than that.

― Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:30 (twenty-one years ago)

Oh, and the original Cape Fear whips the crap out of the remake, and in large part because Cady's not a psycho-killer, just an evil low-life. When he's getting ready to rape Polly Bergen and comes out with "He'll forgive you, but he'll never forget it," it's 1,000 times creepier than some guy speaking in tongues in a borrowed Deputy Dawg accent.

And yes Manhunter > Red Dragon. It's an empirical fact.

― Lee G (Lee G), Friday, 27 August 2004 16:38 (twenty-one years ago)

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