some idle comments on colors
white - dawnfeather eagle is an unusually good finisher for a common, feels like it got a lot of white's power budget which is awkward since you can't play manyblue - blue only has 1 decent on-curve creature at common (the drake) and a ton of nonsense. you're relying a lot on cheap artifact dudes and will probably have to play off-color automatons in blue decks. good blue decks are going to look like total piles just like the bad ones and it'll take some nuance to figure out which is which.black - we've had a bunch of crummy -x/-x commons lately but i think cruel finality does enough here to elevate it to a higher pick than things like die young or throttle werered - red commons are just all really good for the format. shock is better here than 4 mana 4 damage which is better than aether chaser and sweatworks brawler, but all 4 of those look better than any blue common and also probably any white common that isn't the pacifismgreen - none of the beaters are efficient enough to be higher picks than the mana guy, and they're interchangeable enough that prey upon probably comes in 2nd as well. peema outrider and thriving rhino outsize AER creatures really hard so green drafters get rewarded nicely in pack 3artifacts - renegade map is the card that makes revolt a strong mechanic rather than a marginal one, while also working well with improvise. this kind of makes it the equivalent of both prophetic prism and renegade freighter at the same time in this set and i wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a consensus high pick common
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 17 January 2017 20:56 (seven years ago) link
so frontier seems to be really picking up in Austin, TX. A bunch of stores are running events, some doing 2 a week. I took down the Wednesday night frontier event at my LGS two weeks in a row with a pretty sweet Jeskai Spirits deck. The crowd that's showing up on Wednesday nights is bigger than they've been getting for FNM, although maybe that will slow down once Aether Revolt is released. Everyone seems very enthusiastic, in part because the general quality of decks and level of play seems to be higher than with standard. Another local store is running a frontier 1K in a couple weeks, should be fun.
My only concern is going to be deciding how I split up my time going forward. I would like to continue with frontier and standard and maybe draft here and there. Also working on building Naya Burn for Modern. Don't know how I'm going to find the time to play all these formats though.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 19 January 2017 14:43 (seven years ago) link
Frontier reminds me of when Modern was first announced and they threw it up on MTGO before any major events and people were playing all sorts of wild & diverse decks, and then once PTs and GPs started up it turned out most of those decks weren't actually good. I think if Frontier ever comes under any scrutiny as a competitive format they'll have to ban Treasure Cruise/Dig Through Time since I'm certain those cards are still overpowered even in a smaller/newer format than Modern. Possibly Collected Company as well.
― ciderpress, Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:30 (seven years ago) link
the format is nowhere near solved and throwing in Aether Revolt will bring some pretty big changes. I can see wizards supporting a similar format with some tweaks as you mentioned. I can say that Torrential Gearhulk into Dig is pretty disgusting. The Ensoul Artifact deck is pretty popular right now and will get more powerful with the new set. That all said, no one seems to have a credible plan against the deck I've been running, but I'm sure that will change eventually.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:35 (seven years ago) link
yeah i'm just saying i find it funny that people are touting the diversity of the format as a draw when it hasn't been stress tested by the best players/deckbuilders yet. i was excited about the Rage Forger deck that was doing decently in MTGO events when Modern first started, and then it turned out the format was more about hardcasting Emrakul on turn 4
― ciderpress, Thursday, 19 January 2017 15:39 (seven years ago) link
in the near term, the format is going to see some consolidation as people figure out what's good and what isn't. In the longer term, it will certainly get more diverse as more cards enter the pool.
Right now I think people are overvaluing the Khans block cards and strategies and not using enough powerful cards from more recent sets. A deck like Abzan just feels painfully slow to me.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Thursday, 19 January 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/OuhiIVs.jpg
Finally got to live the dream before KLD draft season is over
Hadn't considered before what having all three modules out did but it is pretty lol when you get it going
― frogbs, Friday, 20 January 2017 03:03 (seven years ago) link
it's basically just 1 mana for a 2/2 and an energy right?
― ciderpress, Friday, 20 January 2017 04:14 (seven years ago) link
so how likely is it that Saheeli or Guardian will be banned following the PT? Are we now living in a world in which every new set will bring about an overpowered deck that dominates for a few weeks and then faces a ban? I'm looking forward to wild swings between playing in an un-fun environment and seeing massive destruction of card value. Surely that will bring more people to Standard!
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Saturday, 21 January 2017 17:18 (seven years ago) link
no one knows yet. week 1 events are not indicative of where the format will end up. standard bans are very rare and i don't expect them to happen more often going forward just because they're increasing the cadence of the announcement. historically they've happened about once every 5 years.
― ciderpress, Saturday, 21 January 2017 17:47 (seven years ago) link
that is all true, but I still need to keep the possibility of a banning in the back of my mind as I move forward. The Saheeli combo fits neatly into the U/W decks that I've been playing. Despite Saheeli's elevated cost, I wouldn't normally consider it completely unreasonable to go in that direction. But faced with the prospect of losing $100+ in card value in the near future, it becomes much less attractive.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Saturday, 21 January 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
In his article last week, Sam of R&D said that they are aware of the Saheeli combo and aren't worried because there are a lot of ways in Standard to handle it. Whereas they admit that Copter really didn't have a lot of answers (hence the banning). I'm gonna take him at his word and assume they won't need to ban, but the PT will be a good test. Everyone is aware of the combo, so the top decks should be able to handle it if the tools are there and the combo doesn't overpower everything else
― Vinnie, Monday, 23 January 2017 04:34 (seven years ago) link
i flicked on the scg today for a couple minutes and one guy had boarded in authority of the consuls as an answer. i guess slightly more resilient than thalia 2 and being a blank otherwise is ok if you just have to stop the combo. 3 saheeli decks in the top 8 but looks like there was tons of them in the field in general and none made top 4.
― Roberto Spiralli, Monday, 23 January 2017 04:49 (seven years ago) link
AER draft leagues are up
here's trophy #1: http://i.imgur.com/CjwJvJ5.png
― ciderpress, Thursday, 26 January 2017 03:29 (seven years ago) link
just got to live the dream with Consolate Dreadnought + Siege Modification, I love this format already
― frogbs, Thursday, 26 January 2017 03:40 (seven years ago) link
yeah that seems like the invisible stalker/butchers cleaver of this format
― ciderpress, Thursday, 26 January 2017 03:45 (seven years ago) link
with the caveat that it's a lot easier to deal with. seems like the result a lot of times is gonna be block with Servo, blow up the artifact on your turn.
not sure what to think of Dreadnought as a whole. the thing that made those Crew 4-5 vehicles unplayable in KLD was that they ate up a spot in your curve where you really wanted to be playing a Riperian Tiger or some big flying body. Dreadnought can come out Turn 1 and at least help with Improvise spells in the meantime. I've gone from thinking this card was not very playable to thinking it may actually be an early pick.
― frogbs, Thursday, 26 January 2017 15:52 (seven years ago) link
i don't think it's an early pick, it's pretty niche to turbo-improvise decks
― ciderpress, Thursday, 26 January 2017 16:00 (seven years ago) link
even if it doesn't impact your curve you're still a card down if you can't ever do anything with it.
― Roberto Spiralli, Thursday, 26 January 2017 16:05 (seven years ago) link
true
I guess its difficult to know how it'll play since the vehicles in KLD had a pretty linear ratio of mana cost/crew cost/power level
whether or not this is playable is gonna have a lot to do with how much a 1 drop artifact benefits your deck otherwise
― frogbs, Thursday, 26 January 2017 16:14 (seven years ago) link
Another thing is, it comes online faster than you think. The issue with the big Crew KLD vehicles is that the creatures with high enough power to crew them were often in the same mana cost slot. Dreadnought comes out early and can be crewed by your 4 or 5 drop. The dynamic just seems different when you don't really have to pay mana to drop it.
― frogbs, Friday, 27 January 2017 03:19 (seven years ago) link
just found out that Key to the City is way way better with all this Improvise stuff around
― frogbs, Friday, 27 January 2017 04:26 (seven years ago) link
It was already a high pick for me
― Vinnie, Friday, 27 January 2017 05:31 (seven years ago) link
thinking it might be good sideboard tech for my Esper Aggro deck running 4-of Metallic Rebuke, especially if I need to punch through some Ishkanahs
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Friday, 27 January 2017 05:33 (seven years ago) link
so I'm going to the scg balt team event and need to decide on a modern deck. because it's a team event (and I'm going w/ strong players) I want to be extra-spikey about it.
what do you guys think is a good meta-call right now? could probably acquire anything for the tournament. I have a lot of experience w/ dredge, grixis delver, decent amount w/ infect, affinity. would want to practice a bit w/ anything else.
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2017 14:28 (seven years ago) link
anyone have any experience w/ lantern?
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2017 14:37 (seven years ago) link
have no clue what the metagame looks like after the bans + fatal push. would guess that valakut is good rn especially the through the breach builds.
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 January 2017 14:45 (seven years ago) link
to elaborate on that, it's a fast deck that didn't use probe and blanks fatal push
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 January 2017 14:54 (seven years ago) link
the Sram Modern deck is pretty hilarious
― frogbs, Friday, 27 January 2017 14:55 (seven years ago) link
is it just sram/puresteel paladin and all the 0 cost equips and retract? that seems powerful but fragile
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 January 2017 14:57 (seven years ago) link
yeah somebody was running it at the event I went to last night, he was getting wrecked by a pox deck
― iatee, Friday, 27 January 2017 14:58 (seven years ago) link
http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14527&d=287116&f=MO
that's pretty much it, yeah
kinda laughing at the idea of a Puresteel getting to 6/27 or whatever on turn 2
seems like the sort of deck that wins one event and promptly dies
― frogbs, Friday, 27 January 2017 14:59 (seven years ago) link
jeskai ascendancy is still my garbage combo deck of choice i think, if i had to play one
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 January 2017 15:02 (seven years ago) link
i'd play something close to this list if i had an important modern event tomorrowhttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/552244#online
― ciderpress, Friday, 27 January 2017 15:06 (seven years ago) link
yeah i was thinking abt playing titanshift in vancouver that same wknd, i think lands decks are pretty well positioned rn. theyre also pretty easy to play. a friend of mine has been 5-0ing leagues with amulet for the last few months and im genuinely thinking abt that but i dont know how easy a sell that is for yr teammates
i am in prague this wknd to play magic cards. life is kinda weird
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Saturday, 28 January 2017 05:23 (seven years ago) link
yeah last year I ended up in a lot of weird trump-y parts of the country I certainly would have never ever seen w/o this game
prague seems slightly more fun than allentown
― iatee, Saturday, 28 January 2017 06:00 (seven years ago) link
haha i was in columbus last week. before playing magic i had literally never been in ohio and now i at least drive through it every couple of months
― ( ^_^) (Lamp), Saturday, 28 January 2017 06:21 (seven years ago) link
yeah i was looking at the gp schedule and the next standard one i can go to is in omaha and its like...am i really going to omaha to play magic? maybe...
― ciderpress, Saturday, 28 January 2017 16:41 (seven years ago) link
good lord does this set have some powerful Uncommons in it. Ridgescale Tusker is completely nuts. Winding Constrictor is also a bit over the top, though I guess being two colors helps.
― frogbs, Sunday, 29 January 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
yeah I won a sealed pptq yesterday on the back of tusker in the sealed and hidden stockpile aka bitterblossom in the draft. I hadn't had any experience with this set beyond one prerelease so I don't know how people were judging that card but it's pretty nuts as a draft around.
― iatee, Sunday, 29 January 2017 18:37 (seven years ago) link
tusker is top 10 card in the set including rares
― ciderpress, Sunday, 29 January 2017 18:49 (seven years ago) link
awesome job iatee, Tusker is indeed insane
Managed to top 8 a Frontier 1K today with my jeskai spirits, was the top seed after 5 rounds of swiss, but got immediately destroyed in the semis by an ensoul deck that shrapnel blasted me to oblivion.
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 30 January 2017 00:28 (seven years ago) link
it's hard to look at the results for SCG Richmond and not think that wizards did more harm than good with the bannings
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 30 January 2017 02:58 (seven years ago) link
please don't panic before the pro tour, the SCG players pretty much never find all the good decks
― ciderpress, Monday, 30 January 2017 03:26 (seven years ago) link
I'm not panicking, just not particularly thrilled about playing standard
― Al Moon Faced Poon (Moodles), Monday, 30 January 2017 05:13 (seven years ago) link
Frank Karsten put Tusker as third-best card in the set. I haven't played any AVR yet, but it does seem like it could even outshine green Gearhulk in some rare instances, so I can buy it. Hooray for uncommon mythics
― Vinnie, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 09:52 (seven years ago) link
Yeah it reminds me of Druid Familiar which was such an ass-kicking but it's even better than that card by a decent margin
― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 14:52 (seven years ago) link
just looking over his list and karsten really phoned this one in
― Roberto Spiralli, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 15:10 (seven years ago) link
karsten's rankings are always a bit weird
― iatee, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 15:33 (seven years ago) link
I'm gonna stick my neck out and say that nearly all limited reviews done before the person gets to actually play the format are fairly worthless. As much respect as I have for LSV when you look back on his articles they always seem to get a lot of things blatantly wrong.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 31 January 2017 16:25 (seven years ago) link