sometimes I daydream about an inversion of our current political scenario where the cities are hotbeds of racist right-wing nutjobs murdering each other with their guns and no healthcare, and a minority of leftist voters in the rural heartland actually run the country thx to the institutionalized electoral apportionment flukes of our stupid system
― Οὖτις, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:15 (seven years ago) link
I didn't know Fred had three Twitter accounts, weird.
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:17 (seven years ago) link
idk if that Albright lady should be held up as an example of anything because she's so insanely wrong-headed about... pretty much everything
― mh 😏, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:19 (seven years ago) link
literally no one on the left - well at least no one were talking about in this thread - is saying bernie would have swayed trump voters, or that a move to the left will turn trump voters into future democrat voters.
Lol this is blatantly not true. Scroll up?
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:20 (seven years ago) link
xp and that silicon valley woman who was retweeted for her stupid facebook rant that was cross-posted to facebook is straight-up one of those "stupid racists live in the middle of nowhere, fuck em" republicans in democrat clothing
― mh 😏, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:21 (seven years ago) link
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), 13. januar 2017 19:17 (one minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I get my information from SNL, so I know full well that Clinton could have supported gay marriage earlier, thank you very much.
― Frederik B, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
that NRO profile was surprisingly good! thanks for sharing, simon
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:22 (seven years ago) link
is that reaction amongst "the people" or the people on twitter?
― duped and used by my worst Miss U (President Keyes)
a small minority giving a shit about stuff like this is a big step up from this time last year. also, it's pretty much all the people you actually need.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:24 (seven years ago) link
it might convert a few people who voted out of a will to blow up the system because it gives them nothing
more likely it would attract different people who are marginally attached to politics (for the same reasons) and stayed home
it's more likely that *both* of those slices of people could be motivated by star qualities/likability/charisma that obama had in spades and HRC didn't -- not policy shifts! which is something to keep in mind
xp to d-40
― goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:25 (seven years ago) link
― mh 😏, Friday, January 13, 2017 12:21 PM (three minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
jesus yes this woman was police
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, January 13, 2017 10:20 AM (four minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
oh did some ilx poster say it? they say a lot of things
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:26 (seven years ago) link
Bernie is a unique figure in american politics; there's probably no one alive Dems can run with as pure a record as him and left will prob unilaterally hate everyone they run. Booker, Cuomo may be particularly bad but i'm skeptical that these people will be satisfied with someone just a little better
― flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:27 (seven years ago) link
celebrities! don't u read Jeet Heer (lol, like that's a name)
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:29 (seven years ago) link
i think we need to distinguish between "democrats who really did fall in love with bernie" and "leftists who were excited that social democracy looked like it had a shot in democratic politics"
― goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:30 (seven years ago) link
sounds like a funny podcast!
― wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
(lol, like that's a name)
what is the point of statements like these
― goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:31 (seven years ago) link
I like to listen to podcasts along with audiobooks they pass the time on my commute
Fwiw I think many of us are in agreement but it's kind of a threading the needle thing, and from my experience in whatever my online bubble happens to be, I've been much more resistent to the dirtbag left (speaking of the world they inhabit not the podcast itself)'s self conception as the true leftists or w/e, which I intend not as a critique from the center, but from 1. The (coughs) "identarian left" and 2. A more philosophical argument about the nature of politics as a performance and the left's insistence on an educated/rational "authority" that half the country is quite perceptively dismissive of
― Listen to my homeboy Fantano (D-40), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:34 (seven years ago) link
insistence on an educated/rational "authority" that half the country is quite perceptively dismissive of
this def sounds like a losing stratagem
― difficult listening hour, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
― goole
i'm not sure there many, if any, of the latter. most leftists i know seem to have developed a pretty strong commitment to the failure narrative. if bernie had won plenty of leftists would be denouncing him as a "sell-out" right now.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 18:38 (seven years ago) link
what is the 'failure narrative'
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 18:47 (seven years ago) link
sort of moving the goalposts so that they never manage to get anything they want. it's kind of, uh... like the way PETA operates. anything that isn't outrage or doesn't allow them to be outraged seems to not be particularly useful to them.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:00 (seven years ago) link
that's dumb
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:03 (seven years ago) link
like bernie voters were super butthurt he didn't get the nomination lol
I love the NRO headline, they decided to blow their audience's mind right off the bat with "no, really, there are people to the LEFT of Obama and Clinton!!!"
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
i'm not talking bernie voters here, i'm talking about people for whom bernie was totally compromised and implicated because he chose to run as a democrat.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:06 (seven years ago) link
So, like the 15 Stalinists who still live in the US?
― Kiarostami bag (milo z), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:08 (seven years ago) link
really? am i really friends with half the communists in the united states? i mean. i guess it makes me feel better that most people aren't that silly, but considering i've never been a red myself i'm not sure how that happened.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:11 (seven years ago) link
jesus people how did you not get sick of this argument like two months ago.
why are you replaying the same discussion over and over like obsessively reliving the circumstances of the trauma of some psychic wound while circling around the absent subject
― the klosterman weekend (s.clover), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:15 (seven years ago) link
http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/better-red-than-dead-3.png
― Supercreditor (Dr Morbius), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:16 (seven years ago) link
― the klosterman weekend (s.clover)
i think you've answered your own question
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:24 (seven years ago) link
while the failure narrative definitely applies to PETA, I don't think the Chapo guys are into that at all, and they don't come off as fatalistic or rigid...
― flappy bird, Friday, 13 January 2017 19:27 (seven years ago) link
yeah sorry if i'm confusing anybody here, i really have no opinion at all on the chapo house trap guys except that they make way more money than i do for talking shit on the internet and i am jealous.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
speaking as a vegan i think PETA are huge dickbags but tbh any and all animal rights activism is per se going to be unsuccesful because people don't give a shit about animals, politics are a little bit less of a fruitless task
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:47 (seven years ago) link
no thread is safe from this crap apparently
fuck. yeah. my fault guys sorry.
my point is the trap house dudes et al are aggressively antagonistic towards the center left where there should be coalition building, and weirdly deferential to "working class" whites who are unapologetically racist and will happily live in a card board box under a bridge as long as the brown ppl don't even have a box and Trump 'sticks it' to those PC latte losers
― will, Friday, 13 January 2017 19:52 (seven years ago) link
speaking as someone who really doesn't give a shit about animals i think animal rights activism is a much less thankless task than a lot of vegans assume. i was reading a couple weeks ago about "snow buddies", which was just a horrible unmitigated disaster. peta found out about it and asked disney not to release it, but disney ignored them and peta apparently didn't ever follow up on it because they have this point of view that everything is horrible and are apparently congenitally unable to commit to any sort of concrete actions to advocate for animal rights. the film went straight to video, made millions, and nobody knew anything about it until it became an internet meme. yeah congratulations peta you're less effective than internet memes at advocating for animal rights.
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:54 (seven years ago) link
why bother apologizing if you're just going to piss all over it in the next paragraph xp
― sciatica, Friday, 13 January 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
― will, Friday, January 13, 2017 11:52 AM (five minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
yeah this isn't true.
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver), Friday, 13 January 2017 19:57 (seven years ago) link
One issue I have with the dirtbag left, or at least with its twitter manifestation, is that the glee with which it bashes “identitarian” overreach started to have more than whiff of anti-feminist backlash at a certain point. It feels like once a day some random activist posts something silly like this:
https://twitter.com/sam_kriss/status/819282452707479552
and it becomes a focal point of mockery for the weird/left twittersphere.
And I get it sometimes, people post some silly stuff, and some twitter activist celebs (@shanley for instance) are obviously just baiting everyone. And I think there’s definitely something to the central critique that some of the stuff that gets called “identity politics” can be easily co-opted and used to lend legitimacy to unjust systems without creating change. But the way that the weird/left twitter sets its targets on a particular type of "intersectional" twitter activist got pretty tiresome to me at a certain point.
I say this not to condemn CTH, which I’ve only listened to once. I’m talking about the “dirtbag left” part of this thread’s title.
― intheblanks, Friday, 13 January 2017 19:58 (seven years ago) link
what are the demographics of the dirtbag left
relatedly, what are the demographics of chappie trap house
genuine q idk anything about these memesters and I haven't heard this podcast
― wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:08 (seven years ago) link
the NRO profile unintentionally goes from the meanest to the dumbest sentence i've read about them:
Much of the commentary from the dirtbag Left sounds more like Peter Thiel’s speech at the Republican National Convention than something you’d hear at Occupy Wall Street.
Throughout the campaign, the Chapo gang acknowledged Hillary Clinton’s various flaws.
― goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:24 (seven years ago) link
nm it was just an idle question I've since looked it up, I had a feeling the answer to both questions was "three white dudes" but I swear I didn't peek before I asked
― wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:26 (seven years ago) link
well i'm specifically talking trap house, not trying to fire shots in the general culture wars that have taken over every politics thread. but i appreciate how my criticism (And again, LOVE the show) only serves the latter
― will, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:28 (seven years ago) link
Three white dudes, one Jewish dude, one Asian dude, one corn-fed white(I think) lady, one small chihuahua/terrier-type, two cats
― THE SKURJ OF FAKE NEWS. (kingfish), Friday, 13 January 2017 20:30 (seven years ago) link
chapped hole crap house
― flopson, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link
― Islamic State of Mind (jim in vancouver),
which part? re trap house or wcw?
― will, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:31 (seven years ago) link
I like the sound of this chihuahua/terrier type
― wins, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:33 (seven years ago) link
and weirdly deferential to "working class" whites who are unapologetically racist
this is the most common charge and it's not true
― goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:37 (seven years ago) link
No results found for "chappaquiddick trap house".
― how's life, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:40 (seven years ago) link
are aggressively antagonistic towards the center left where there should be coalition building
one, i don't think this antagonism is ever going to stop.
two, a whole lot of bereaved clinton fans are still STILL talking about bernie sanders being the great racist pied piper traitor. meanwhile, the guy is out there doing real political work and hillary has disappeared.
i don't even think it's a symmetrical fixation, the anti-bernie people i can see are far more blindly rabid. zero effort at coalition-building from center types, none.
― goole, Friday, 13 January 2017 20:44 (seven years ago) link