immigrant & ethnic food cultures, white ppl & appropriation, foodies

don't think that ship has sailed. people don't think, when dismissing a curry on brick lane or whatever, that that's representative of all indian food. similar with chinese food, the fact there are grim isolated takeaways scattered around london doesn't taint most people's opinion of chinese food.

i mean, presumably it does for some people but not the type of people who might get excited about korean food.

not necessarily, but people are more likely to have preconceptions about indian food than korean or whatever though

i guess so. korean food is an interesting example - a friend told me when living in japan korean food was seen as the sort of premium whereas, i suppose due to the history of the two countries, chinese food was denigrated and like a thing to blame for an illness or whatever.

I dont think I've ever seen a high end Caribbean restaurant in the UK, there must be something in London though

I am not aware of any. The Rum Kitchen in Notting Hill might be closest but that's firmly mid-range. There's a guy called Jason Howard (iirc) who does high-end contemporary West Indian food on Instagram and has had some press coverage for considering opening a restaurant but i think he just does private catering for now.

To make a massive generalisation 'high end Caribbean' typically means super-fresh seafood pitched at wealthy tourists which isn't a model that's easy to replicate in the UK. To make another massive generalisation, Caribbean joints in the UK are much more likely to be pitched at a Caribbean-heritage audience than the vast majority of Indian or Chinese places.

there's a high-end jamaican place in dalston.

seems to me that most popular types of cheap or fast food are bound for fast casual versions at least, might take some time but if people like the cheaper alternative they'll pay more to eat in a place with service, maybe better provenance of ingredients and a drinks list. there are a good few kebab places like this now, it took a while but it was obviously something that would happen.

https://www.tastemade.com/videos/easiest-chinese-meat-buns

These savory buns are as simple to make as a grilled cheese sandwich.

what in semi-homemade is this

what the fuck

if someone wants to make and eat horseshit I don't mind. calling it a Chinese meat bun is like calling pissing on your head a golden shower.

people passionate about food in this thread

i thought peeing on people was called a golden shower!

And many a shoddy subdivision is called Sherwood Forest, or Inglenook Acres, or some such, but they are still crapulent shanty towns.

people don't request a shanty town, but have been known to request

http://www.laweekly.com/restaurants/the-sushi-stuffed-croissant-is-california-in-a-pastry-7891329

https://i.imgur.com/L2GVQGZ.jpg

how is that not an onion article

And why is it on the floor of my great-aunt's bathroom?

hey, that's my bathroom floor too

we have a spot here - a few blocks from where I live - that is sushi wrapped like a burrito - way more "California" than the croissant thing.

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california roll isn't even japanese

neither are the various crazy rolls invented in western countries

is it even californian

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-03-21/secrets-from-the-highest-grossing-restaurant-in-new-york

One fact that doubters overlook: The food at Tao is good. Scamardella makes regular trips to Hong Kong, Singapore, and Tokyo in search of inspiration. “People don’t come here for basic fried rice,” the chef says. (He adds barbecue duck and lobster with kimchi to his.) Scamardella calls his food “as chopstick-friendly as possible,” which makes diners more inclined to share and invariably pushes up check averages. The one dish you’ll find on almost every table is the $23 miso-glazed Chilean sea bass satay. “It’s the dish that built the empire,” says Wolf. Chef Scamardella estimates Tao Downtown sells 700 orders a night and goes through about 2,500 pounds of sea bass per week.

lol

patagonian toothfish is overrated

putting really expensive meat into boring dishes... oh shit this is just country club food

i bet it's pretty good

oh for sure, I bet it's tasty very competently made food with big chunks of lobster

https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/itu7IN96xNp4/v0/800x-1.jpg

$23 satays

are those.... lobster tendies

they're just chicken wtf i wanted lobster

would eat if rich tbh

you could go to chinatown and get a whole sea bass w/ black bean sauce for like $10 prob

maybe not $10, more like $12-$14

yes i am aware of the existence of cheap good food, but in this hypothetical i have fuck you money

nah i am in agreement with you if i was rich i would stupid amounts of money on fancy food

im not even rich and i have had dumb dining experiences that were fun. good sushi comes to mind tbh, it's not cheap

i would stupid amounts

i would *spend* stupid amounts obv

that looks basic af, there are way better choices if you have fuck you money in nyc

it's true. you could put the lobster...in mac 'n' cheese.

that looks basic af, there are way better choices if you have fuck you money in nyc

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i've had food from TAO exactly once and afaict it's a giant PF Changs with a nightclub attached to it

https://story.californiasunday.com/cooking-lessons

Disillusioned with fine dining, one of the world’s great chefs took on fast food. It has been harder than he ever imagined.

pretty interesting. main chef sounds like a bit of a tool.

On the cultural approp tip, TeenVogue ran this:

http://www.teenvogue.com/story/coachella-cultural-appropriation

Which I'm not entirely clear if the point is "hey white people, don't indulge in this shit so in an insulting or derogatory manner" or something like "hey white people, don't indulge in non-white people shit _at all_"?

America fucks around with everyone's food, including dishes that originated in Europe. It's what we do. When it comes to food we are color blind. Some would say we also lack taste buds and a sense of smell.

how about "most of this shit makes you look like a dipshit, knock it off"

did you read the article? imo it does a decent job of explaining why some things touted as fashionable have specific social meaning

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fwiw I think we have some non-food threads tackling the cultural appropriation fashion idiot angle

I read it, the separation just didn't seem that apparent to me. Maybe I didn't read it closely enough.

Also, I couldn't find the other thread, and this is a main one has the actual word "appropriation" in the title

the subject was well-plumbed during the great wayne coyne/oklahoma governor's daughter headdress debacle of jesus time all just smears together eventually